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Not Easy Being Green

Two green-skinned children who spoke no English appeared at a wolf pit in 12th-century England. The girl lived. Where they came from is still a mystery.

Jan 20, 202325 min
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In this episode

  • The one food two starving green children would finally agree to eat
  • Agnes, the girl who stopped being green — and the land she said she came from
  • An abbot, a squire and a chronicler in Yorkshire: how close the written record gets to an eyewitness
  • Fornham St. Martin, the Thetford Forest and the theory that makes the map add up
  • From The Anatomy of Melancholy to Analog: centuries of people insisting it was something stranger

“one minute you’re on your homeworld with flying cars And talking dogs and the next minute you’re picking fleas off yourself in a medieval English village and living on gruel”

The story

Sometime during the reign of King Stephen of England, while villagers were out in the fields bringing in the harvest, two children appeared at the edge of a wolf pit in the village of Woolpit. They spoke not one word of English. Their clothes were strange. And their skin was bright, vivid green. Not a little off, not sickly pale. Green.

A village named for its traps

Woolpit got its name the hard way. The villagers dug huge, deep pits all around the edge of the village so that wolves coming into town to eat them would tumble in and be trapped. Nobody kept careful records back then, so the date of the children's arrival lands somewhere between 1135 and 1154. In that world a person could live an entire life within a three-square-mile radius and never meet anyone from anywhere else. There were no tourists and no decent roads. Two strangers standing side by side at the pit would have drawn a crowd even if they'd looked ordinary.

Nothing but green beans

The villagers were frightened, but they were decent, hardworking people, and the children were plainly starving, thin and drawn. The villagers offered bread, and the children wouldn't even taste it. Broth got the same answer: nopeski. Then someone brought out a bowl of fresh green beans, and the pair fell on it like the hungry wolves of the pits. Using pointing and gestures, the villagers worked out that the children had gotten lost while tending their father's cattle.

The children ended up with Sir Richard de Calne, the squire — the local lord whose land the peasants and serfs worked in exchange for a small share of the harvest and a hut to live in. He took them into his own home. The boy fell sick and died. The girl grew healthier by the month, and eventually her skin was no longer green. She learned English, was baptized into the church, took the name Agnes, and was married off to a man in a neighboring county.

The land of St. Martin

Once she could speak English, Agnes explained where she'd come from. She and her brother came from a land shrouded in perpetual twilight, where everyone was green, just like them. She called it the land of St. Martin. The two had been watching their father's cattle when they wandered off, the way children will, and kept going until they came upon a cavern. They walked through it and came out into very bright light, and they heard the sound of bells. That's where the people of Woolpit found them.

The story didn't survive as village gossip alone. Two English chroniclers wrote it down. Ralph of Coggeshall was an abbot at a monastery not far south of Woolpit — in those days the learned men were mostly clergy — and he said he heard the story firsthand from Sir Richard de Calne himself. That puts his account about as close to a primary source as the 12th century gets. William of Newburgh, far to the north in Yorkshire, told nearly the same story in his Historia Rerum Anglicarum, credited to trustworthy sources but without the squire's own testimony. Beyond those two, nearly everything passed by word of mouth among people who couldn't read or write, which turned history into a giant game of telephone.

The weird part

Two green children who spoke no English walked out of nowhere into a medieval village. The girl grew up to be an ordinary married Englishwoman named Agnes, who said she came from a twilight land where everyone was green.

Twilight, or a tunnel of trees?

The most down-to-earth explanation starts with the green skin. Hypochromic anemia, once called chlorosis, is a condition brought on by poor diet and malnutrition, and it can turn skin green. A starving boy who died and a girl who turned a normal color once she was well fed fit that theory neatly.

The strange clothes and language may have a simple explanation too. Some historians suggest the children were Flemish — families from Flanders, fleeing persecution under Henry the Second. Their clothing and speech would have seemed strange only to villagers who had never met anyone from Flanders. The writer Paul Harris pushed the idea further. He argued the children were Flemish orphans from a village called Fornham St. Martin, which sounds a lot like the girl's land of St. Martin. If they had fled into the nearby Thetford Forest, then a wild, deep, dark wood could easily feel like permanent twilight, and the cavern might have been a tunnel of trees that opened onto the edge of Woolpit. His verdict amounts to this: not monsters, not aliens, but frightened, hungry orphans who couldn't make sense of the world they'd landed in.

It was aliens, obviously

Plenty of people have looked at that tidy explanation and declined. In 1621, Robert Burton wrote in The Anatomy of Melancholy that the green children fell from heaven, which modern readers happily take to mean extraterrestrials. In the mid-1990s, Duncan Lunan argued in the magazine Analog that the children were aliens accidentally teleported from their home planet and stranded in a small English village. He came back to the idea in his 2012 book Children from the Sky. Others point to an undiscovered civilization underground, or to physics theories about alternate dimensions and whether people can slip from one into another.

None of it can be proven now. Agnes, for her part, went on to live out her days as an English villager. If she really was a traveler from another world, what a comedown: one minute you're on your homeworld with flying cars And talking dogs and the next minute you're picking fleas off yourself in a medieval English village and living on gruel. Whatever the truth, the green children of Woolpit have gone unexplained for hundreds of years. It's not easy being green.

The transcript

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  1. 00:00Life in the land of wolf pits
  2. 03:13Two green children at the edge
  3. 06:12Who wrote it down
  4. 08:34The squire takes them in
  5. 11:06Anemia and Flemish refugees
  6. 19:16It was aliens

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00:00

There you are minding your business in 12th century England doffing your cap to the squire Scratching at your flea bites and harvesting the grain and whatnot when suddenly two children appear Nowhere, the children don't speak a word of English. The clothing is odd Their behavior is odder still and oh, yeah, their skin happens to be a bright Vivid green green what in the medieval heck is going on here?

00:33

They got a small beam of light Stuff I Lot of challenges, I mean right off the top of your head max What are some of the issues that we modern humans have to cope with? Well, we have to try to find a way to make a living so we can provide shelter and food for ourselves in a crushing post-industrial technological information age economy, right like oh my god Everything's so fast and impersonal and terrifying we have all of the usual things humanity has dealt with You know scourges and plagues and war and disease and famine and flood and all of that but you know, we're we're kind of like, you know trapped in like these ant farm environments where we're just frantic and and you can see it comes out in in our behavior and our struggles with our Mental and emotional health and we're just we struggle, you know, it's not easy being a person It's never been easy to be a person But I just want you to imagine this I want you to imagine that you live in 12th century England in the village of Wolpitt now, how did Wolpitt get its name?

02:07

Well, this is something we modern humans do not have to deal with today Wolpitt got its name because the villagers dug these huge Deep pits all around the perimeter of the village So that when the wolves came into town to eat them they'd fall into the pits and be trapped What you to imagine? The neighborhood you live in today having to dig wolf pits Like that is it can we all agree that yes social media is a real bitch and everything, but we don't have that That's how the town got its name So we've got these huge pits for trapping wolves and it's one day in the 12th century Under the reign of King Stephen of England and this is roughly in the years between 1135 and 1154 folks back then were not like super great about record-keeping and dates The villagers are out its harvest time, you know, so they're all working in the field Threshing or whatever it is you do to get the grains into bags for the his lordship when suddenly two children materialize at the edge of one of the wolf pits And these children There's something strange. First of all, you know in 12th century England in a rural village You know, you didn't have Tourists didn't have people just popping in to check out the scene, right?

03:35

so two children Standing side by side on the edge of the wolf pit It brought attention But even beyond that there was something so deeply unsettling about this children for starters they spoke absolutely no English not one word of English and their clothing was strange and Unfamiliar to the people and again remember this is the 12th century When you could live your entire life, you know in one three square mile radius and never really see Anyone from anywhere else So your travel wasn't a thing tourism wasn't a thing There weren't great roads to have two children who spoke no English and such strange clothing Standing side by side on the edge of the wolf pit was weird enough But these kids had one more thing going against them. Their skin was bright green According to the legends and the stories. I don't mean they looked a little off Like they'd gotten a hold of a bad taco these kids were green and of course, you know the people of the village were Frightened but they were good people decent hard-working people and the children were clearly Starving they were so thin and drawn the villagers tried to feed them They offered bread and the children would not they wouldn't even taste it. They offered broth Again the children were like nopeski finally one villager brought a bowl of fresh green beans and that they fell upon like the hungry wolves of the pits and they gobbled up and that the villagers were Frightened and confused they couldn't understand the words the children spoke the language Familiar and they tried using, you know signs and pointing and gestures to figure out how in the world these two green starving children had come to be standing on the edge of the wolf pit and As best they could tell the children seemed to have gotten lost Tending to their father's cattle when they suddenly found themselves in the village of wolf pit So here we are standing at the edge of the wolf pit with the hungry Tattered mysterious non-english-speaking bright green children Um, I guess the only question I have is is this like documented anywhere?

06:14

Like there's something official that somebody wrote down anywhere about this well, that's one of the that's one of the wildest parts of this story that actually the green children of wolf pit were Documented by two famous English historians One of them is named William of Newburgh and the other is named Ralph of Coggeshall Don't you love when people back then had those names like today you would be Max of Charlotte But yeah, William of Newburgh and Ralph of Coggeshall Ralph of Coggeshall said that he heard the story first hand from sir Richard de Calne himself who was a very famous squire And he wrote about it and something called the chronic on Anglicanum, I don't speak Latin. So I'm probably butchering that in the year 1189 and William of Newburgh Also wrote about this and he published it in a book called historia rerum anglicarum in 1220 he said that he heard it from very trustworthy stories. So is it Folklore is it the earliest version of an urban legend? Is it an actual historical event?

07:28

You know modern historians have tried and tried to document it but the source material from the 12th century Especially when so many people did not know how to read or write I mean if you think about it You know how who documents everyday life the people who are living it and if the people are living it only have an oral tradition You know, it's gonna be like a giant game of historical telephone, right? Remember how that's great, right?

07:55

You know, you sit in a circle and you whisper a word into someone's ear and by the time it gets to the end of The circle it's unrecognizable Oral history is a really powerful Recording tool, but again, you know, we don't have these primary sources that we can document So let's go back to the two green children who've refused food bread and broth They will only eat green beans the villagers. I don't know what to do so Their their their big boss was the squire Sir, Richard de Calne who allegedly told the story to Sir Ralph of Coggeshall So this is where it gets interesting because Richard de Calne Took the children in and let them live in his home He was like, you know, this is the feudal system where the peasants and serfs Worked the land for the squire the nobility and they were allowed to keep you know Some subsistence for themselves and they had like a hut whatever So Richard de Calne, Sir Richard de Calne takes the two children in and the boy Falls into sickness and he dies. He just doesn't make it but the girl she eventually Becomes healthier and healthier and at one point her skin is no longer green Probably because whatever they were eating wherever they came from Had been replaced by a much healthier very diet and the squires home The girl also learned how to speak English and ultimately she was baptized into the church they changed her name to Agnes and they Married her off to a man in a neighboring County so Now, you know, she speaks English. She's healthy. She's grown Maybe now she can tell the villagers where she and her little green brother came from So here was the story that she told she said that she and her brother came from a land that was Shrouded in perpetual twilight and that everyone in that land was green Like they were she called it the land of st Martin and she said that she and her brother had been tending their father's cattle Which they had kind of signaled by sign language when they were first found at the edge of the pit She and her brother had been tending their father's cattle when they got distracted as children will and they wandered off And they became lost and they kept going and they kept going and they kept going and they came upon a cavern And they entered the cavern and they walked through it until they emerged in what she described as very bright light And that was when the villagers at wool pit found them So none of the historians have any answer for this, you know, the this underground twilight green world the land of st Martins, I mean, there's no documentation for any of this, right?

11:01

But there have been a lot of theories that have been put forth Like why were the kids green? Apparently, there's a medical condition max called hypochromic anemia It used to be called chlorosis but it's basically caused by you know, a poor diet and malnutrition and when when you suffer from hypochromic anemia You can be Green it turns your skin green so when we consider that The little boy died But the girl grew healthy and eventually was no longer green that kind of supports the theory that these were Children who were suffering from this hypochromic anemia, right?

11:45

And as far as the the strange clothing that they wore and the fact that they didn't speak English There are some historians that have offered theories about that like for example now keep in mind again This is 12th century England people at that time in the world. They they didn't travel. There was no mass media you You know you were born lived and died in the same place for the most part unless you you know became a soldier or a You know a member of the clergy or a nun You kind of stayed put and all around the world other small human settlements also Stayed put being born living and dying in the same small geographical area with their own language and customs and folkways and food and even your clothing was so dependent on Where it was that you lived like there was no Amazon or H&M or whatever, right?

12:46

Did you have the ability to grow flax and hemp and linen? Could you weave cloth were you dependent on sheep for woolen clothing? Did you have access to leather to make you know leggings and vests and jerkins and shoes and belts and all of that? Humanity at this time in the world I mean I want you to close your eyes and picture the planet Earth and Now picture the planet Earth dotted with just a few flickering flames here and there separated by fast distances That's what it was like for the people of Earth back then So of course these green children were strange not only for being green which of course is deeply strange But for their unfamiliar clothing and in customs and ways So some historians said well, maybe these children weren't Fairies or extraterrestrials or ghosts at all, maybe they were the children of Flemish immigrants who were escaping persecution and Maybe their strange clothing wasn't strange at all If you were Flemish and maybe their strange language wasn't strange at all If you were also a Flemish immigrant, but to the villagers of Woolpit who had never encountered People from this land, of course, they seemed like mystical and supernatural creatures and There are a lot of people that say no no freakin way these kids came from an alternate universe or another dimension or another planet or maybe just maybe a mysterious underground world That mankind hasn't discovered yet. Now. This is the 12th century England But here in this century, there are a lot of people that still believe that there may be a civilization underground in the molten center of the earth that we haven't had contact with and There are plenty of reasons to believe that the multiverse is real You know physics has so many interesting and provocative theories on Alternate dimensions and can people bleed from one dimension into the next maybe that accounts for the green children of Woolpit But wherever they came from Their story was utterly Fascinating and to this day kind of utterly mysterious, I mean when the girl was able to learn and speak English and she Described how she and her brother came from this land of twilight and journey through this cavern Until they came into bright light and they also heard the sound of bells Is that simply the story of children who were hiding with their parents who were escaping persecution under Henry the second and These children had spent so much of their lives hiding in the forest that their reality was a twilight world and Was the cavern that they entered a cavern in the way we describe it You know a cave a rocky cave filled with I don't know stalactites and paintings and bear droppings or Was it a tunnel of trees in the forest where the further they traveled the closer They came to the edge of the forest and to the outskirts of the village of Woolpit the historians Ralph of Coggeshall Who was an abbot back then your learned people were clergy for the most part You know the history that we do have of that span of human history was often captured by monks and scribes in monasteries Ralph of Coggeshall was an abbot at a monastery, which wasn't but 2526 miles south of the village of Woolpit So he was technically Kind of a local and in his history. I'll remind you he says that sir Richard Duquesne

16:53

Was the source and Richard Duquesne is the squire of Woolpit who took these two green children in to live in his home so you could argue that Sir Ralph of Coggeshall Had primary source information right max I mean the dude told him that every time you say sir Ralph of Coggeshall It just sounds like you're doing a Saturday Night Live skit. I'm sorry Oh Now um William of Newburgh he was he was north of Woolpit He was pretty far north of Woolpit in Yorkshire Yorkshire, I guess is how they say it But his his account of the green children of Woolpit was very very similar to sir Ralph's minus the direct first-person testimony of Sir Richard Duquesne So over the centuries between that moment and today, you know We've had lots and lots of theories about it, including the hypochroma anemia there's a couple of writers who've researched the story including a writer named Paul Harris who said that Actually, the children were were Flemish orphans and that they came from a village known as Fornham St Martin Which remember the children had told the villagers they came from the land of st. Martin So Paul Paul Harris feels pretty good about this story. And if the if the children had been Flemish immigrants that were running and escaping persecution and if they had Fled into the forest near Woolpit, which was called the Thetford forest All of the math adds up the location is right The geography is right that forest at that time was a wild deep dark and mysterious Place that would definitely like I said seem to the kids like permanent twilight Paul Harris is like settle down y'all. These are not monsters aliens or children from another dimension These were frightened hungry orphans who had no way to make sense of the world that they found themselves in But of course there's always that crew that says Yeah, but it was aliens Like a writer named Richard Burton or Robert Burton rather who wrote a book that was published in the year 1621 and that book was called the anatomy of melancholy which sounds like rip-roaring Beach reading He says that the green children Did not come from the forest of Thetford they were not orphans escaping persecution But instead they fell from heaven which immediately modern readers say Yep, that means they're extraterrestrials and and you can fast-forward all the way to the mid 1990s People are still struggling with this legend this folktale still trying to make sense of it Duncan Lunan Published an article in a magazine called analog and he said the children were in fact extraterrestrials who were accidentally teleported from their home planet and Got kind of stuck here on earth in the 12th century in this small village and then he published a book in 2012 called children from the sky where he circled back to the green kids of Wolpitt and Argued again that they were extraterrestrials who were accidentally transported in time and place from their home planet You know At this late stage. No one can prove hyperchromic anemia multiple dimensions underground civilizations or the accidental

20:59

teleportation of two kids from another dimension But one thing that we can all agree on is that the green children of Wolpitt That's a mystery that not only has never been solved But it's a mystery that has lingered and haunted people For hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years if you had to guess max What's your favorite theory on the green children of Wolpitt?

21:29

Well, my initial thought was that they were aliens that that was you know The color and the clothing but I do think it's because of what they were eating that turned them green and that they were Perhaps Flemish. So that's I think that that probably is the best the best theory There is nothing this girl likes more than somebody slipping through a multi-dimensional crack and ending up in a parallel But incorrect universe and we have episodes on that coming up here on true weird stuff But I think in this instance, I think that the theory that these children were hungry orphans escaping persecution Unable to make sense of the world that they found themselves in hyper Chromic anemia that all kinds of adds up and you know The thing that that makes it add up for me because otherwise like I'm like it was the aliens Agnes once she Was healthy and fed and eating a good diet in the Squires home Agnes wasn't green anymore and went on to get baptized get married and live out the rest of her days as an English villager Which seems I guess possible You know if she were actually an extraterrestrial or a multi-dimensional traveler But if that's the case Damn it must suck to be an extraterrestrial or a multi-dimensional traveler because one minute you're on your homeworld with flying cars And talking dogs and the next minute you're picking fleas off yourself in a medieval English village and living on gruel Right being forced to read the Canterbury tales. Yeah, I mean Yikes, that's a fate. We wouldn't wish on anyone, right?

23:13

So whatever the truth of this legend is it's super duper weird And we can probably all agree on one thing as Kermit the Frog taught us when we were kids It's not easy being green. It's not easy being green Next time on true weird stuff one of the world's most successful tourist attractions a place where parents bring their kids and Grandparents go and buy souvenirs has its beginning in the most bloody Awful terrifying way possible, and it's all true wax on head off next time on truth True weird stuff is a Now! Media production our executive producer is Anthony Garcia The show is written and hosted by me Sheri Lynch along with my deeply weird director Max Sweeten our equally odd producer is Kary Bowser Additional production by the mysterious Stephen Call our digital witch and social media cult leader is Heather Furr original graphics by Kevin Nash original artworks by Olivia Axland true weird original music composed and performed by Jack Griffin and St. Nash copyright 2023 Now! Media all rights reserved all rooms remembered You Hey, thank you so much for listening to the Bob and Sherry podcast and the Bob and Sherry oddcast We would love if you would subscribe rate and review and share it with a friend on Facebook Twitter Instagram wherever you go, and thank you again for listening

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