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The Hungry Puppet

Professor Ron taught kids about God through a puppet named Marty. A federal sting revealed what the Florida ventriloquist was really doing.

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In this episode

  • Why an ancient Syrian king's puppet hobby was recorded as a royal disgrace
  • A 1998 traffic stop, a pair of boys' briefs, and the explanation a deputy accepted
  • The Marty sketch about dirty pictures that plays very differently now
  • The six-year plea deal Brown turned down, and what it cost him
  • Four encounters in one ordinary city, and a phone call from a friend's father

“Perverted is not a strong enough word to describe what you have been engaging in. Horrific, that is getting close. Unimaginable, that is getting closer.”

The story

For decades, Ronald William Brown was Professor Ron, a Christian ventriloquist who taught children about sin, prayer and bad words through a wide-eyed puppet named Marty. In July 2012, federal agents arrested him at his mobile home in Largo, Florida. What they found on his computers, in his online chats and in journals going back more than thirty years showed that the man behind the puppet had been hunting the children in his audiences.

Puppets have always done two jobs at once. They make us laugh, and they give a face to the things people don't dare say out loud. Brown used them for both.

Sticks, string, and the divine

Puppetry is ancient. The evidence points to China or India as far back as 1000 BCE, and the first puppets belonged to sacred ritual, not to children. The ancient Egyptians built the first puppet theater. Their wooden figures, worked by strings, acted out chores like cooking and carrying water, and over time they got finer: wire instead of string, jointed clay or ivory limbs. Puppets were even buried with pharaohs. At the Osiris feasts, which celebrated death and rebirth, women carried two-foot figures fitted with a two-foot phallus. According to the historian Herodotus, the women tugged a rope to make it waggle while the guests ate. The Greeks carried similar figures while singing to Dionysus.

Even then, a grown man playing with puppets could raise eyebrows. The Syrian king Antiochus Cyzicenus, who ruled from 115 to 95 BCE, was faulted for drunkenness and for pursuits utterly inappropriate to a king, such as working gilded animal puppets five cubits high. A cubit is the length from your shoulder to your fingertip, so these were enormous puppets. Ancient people loved puppets and feared them too, because puppets seemed to live somewhere between dreams and reality, and between the living and the dead. A puppet can get away with the unspeakable.

Professor Ron and Marty

Puppets still have a place in the church. Puppet ministry, the use of puppet shows to preach to children, calls itself a team dedicated to sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ through stories, songs and humor. It had a boom in the 1990s and came back during the COVID lockdowns, when fidgety kids had to sit through church online.

In the mid-1980s, Joy Junction was a Christian TV show for kids, set in a make-believe village and hosted by Sheriff Don. It came back in syndication from the late 1990s into the early 2000s. Its resident ventriloquist was Professor Ron, and his dummy Marty handled the wisecracks: going to McDonald's every week must make me a hamburger. Brown also ran his own business, Puppets Plus, which he started in 1992. He performed at shopping centers, summer camps and Pinellas County schools, and he volunteered at the Gulf Coast Church. He gave neighborhood kids free pizza and rides in the church van.

In one Joy Junction sketch, Marty tells Ron that some kids asked him to look at dirty pictures. He refused, explaining, "I know someone who will see, and that's God." After Brown's arrest, the show vanished from the internet.

Red flags in plain sight

Brown had no criminal record, but the warning signs were there. During a 1998 traffic stop, a sheriff's deputy spotted a pair of boys' briefs partly stuffed into the driver's seat. Brown said the underpants belonged to one of his puppets, and the deputy let it go. In 2010, someone called Largo police about a young boy riding in Brown's car. That turned out to be a false alarm, since the parents were fine with it. One neighbor later called him "an antisocial, strange person" who would never speak to adults.

The arrest came from Operation Holitna, an international child pornography investigation run by the Department of Homeland Security. The trail ran through Boston and the Netherlands to a Kansas man named Michael Arnett. Arnett's computers held chats about kidnapping, abusing, murdering and eating children with a Yahoo user called ULIME. The account belonged to Brown. His was one of 40 arrests in six countries. In his home, agents found hundreds of images of child sexual abuse material (CSAM, the current term for what used to be called child pornography), including children who were bound. They also found hundreds of images of dead children and a blow-up doll dressed in children's clothing. In one chat, Brown wrote that "the tied up ones are best."

The weird part

On Christian children's TV, Professor Ron's puppet Marty told kids not to look at dirty pictures because God would see. Off camera, the same man was collecting child sexual abuse images and chatting online about killing and eating children.

Journals going back to 1979

Brown turned down a plea deal that would have meant six years in prison because he wanted a jury trial. A month later, prosecutors hit him with a new indictment on eight felony charges, which carried 20 years to life. His defense came down to this: he did what he did, but killing and eating children was only a fantasy. His own lawyer said, in effect, that no one can defend a fantasy. But Brown had singled out one boy at his church as a candidate. Prosecutor Amanda Kaiser said he had contacted a local funeral home looking for a way to be near dead bodies.

Then there were the journals, handwritten and going back to 1979. They tracked one boy after another, many of them met through his puppet ministry. In 1993 he drove past Dunedin Middle School again and again, hoping to see one particular child. He raged at another boy for losing interest in the puppets. Kaiser said the journals showed "a pattern of obsession, infatuation and resentment with constant references to puppets." On July 15, 2013, Judge James D. Whittemore sentenced Brown to 20 years in federal prison and lifetime probation, telling him, "Perverted is not a strong enough word to describe what you have been engaging in." A jury convicted Brown of possessing child pornography but acquitted him of conspiracy to kidnap. He appealed in 2020 and lost.

Where the wolves go

For Sheri Lynch, the case is personal. She lives in an ordinary, medium-sized city, and she has run into four men accused of sexually abusing children. Two were teachers at her children's school. The third was the father of her older daughter's friend. He called her himself to say he'd been caught in the same Homeland Security sting that caught Brown, and he went to prison for 10 years. The fourth was a teacher she watched walk out of court with a slap on the wrist. A detective told her many families decline to prosecute because forensic interviews and testifying in court traumatize their children all over again.

"The wolves go where the sheep are," she says: to schools, camps and Sunday services. Her advice is to read Gavin de Becker's The Gift of Fear and trust the inner voice that says something is wrong, even when there's a friendly puppet in the way. "The only thing special about Ronald William Brown is that he got caught. Most don't."

The transcript

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Chapters
  1. 01:54Sticks, string, and the divine
  2. 08:41Puppets in the pews
  3. 11:13Professor Ron and Marty
  4. 13:05The knock at the mobile home
  5. 23:04The plea deal, the journals, the sentence
  6. 33:58Four encounters in one city

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00:00

This episode deals with pedophilia, child sexual abuse materials, and the case includes fantasies of murder and cannibalism. If this subject matter is triggering, please listen with caution or consider skipping this episode. If you are a child in need of help or an adult seeking help for a child, contact Child Help National Child Abuse Hotline.

00:22

Call or text 800-4-A-CHILD. That's 800-422-4453. Hey true weirdos, at the end of this episode, stick around if you want for a little bonus content and conversation. Puppaphobia. Not the fear of razor sharp puppy teeth. No, it's the fear of puppets. Don't laugh, it's real. Sweating, tremors, racing heartbeat, panic, nightmares, depression.

00:56

If you have puppaphobia, puppets can seem like the worst possible unholy marriage of clowns and dolls. A thing presented as just harmless good fun. A thing with a painted on smile. But a puppet is a thing that has the power to come alive and speak to you. And this little puppet right here, it just wants to eat you up.

01:30

And they got a small beam of light. True weird stuff. Puppetry is an ancient art. There's some debate on the origins, but China and India are the front runners with evidence suggesting that puppets were helping humans tell their stories as far back as 1000 BCE. Those early puppets were simple creations made from whatever was at hand.

02:13

And at first, puppets were part of sacred religious and cultural rituals. It took the ancient Egyptians to give the world its first taste of puppet theater. Their first creations were made of wood and operated by strings. These primitive puppets were designed to simulate everyday sorts of tasks. Cooking, carrying water, that sort of thing.

02:34

Which was a very impressive trick for the times. It really wowed the crowds. Over time, the Egyptians created ever more artful puppets made of much finer materials. String was replaced with wire and crude wooden limbs with cleverly jointed clay arms and legs. Or ivory, depending on the wealth and status of the puppet's owner.

02:56

Puppets have even been found entombed with the pharaohs. Presumably to be shipped off with them to the afterlife. But puppets weren't toys for the ancient Egyptians. And they weren't meant just for entertainment. Puppetry was part of ritual. Example, the ancient Egyptians used puppets as fertility symbols in their Osiris feasts.

03:17

These were a celebration of the cycle of death and rebirth. Of the god Osiris, but also of the land and its people. Picture a simple human-like figure, about two feet tall, with articulated joints. Women would carry these figures aloft using ropes to manipulate the limbs. Each of these figures had a little something extra.

03:42

An enormous phallus, also about two feet in length. According to the historian Herodotus, the women would tug on the rope attached to the phallus and it would waggle about as guests feasted. Can you imagine? Let's get a petition going, Max, to have this added to the Academy Awards. What a crowd pleaser. Can you even imagine the ratings boost?

04:05

Oh no! Oh no, it looks like Ben Affleck just got sideswiped. Careful there, ladies. The ancient Greeks also incorporated puppets into their religious ceremonies. Like those in Egypt, the figures were also about two feet high, manipulated by strings and toted around by women, singing of Dionysius, the god of wine and fertility, theater and religious ecstasy.

04:30

The scholar Mali Anika Schotheim has written that puppetry in the ancient world was like a doorway to the divine, because puppets were inanimate things that could be made to appear like living things. What an incomprehensible wonder that was back then, bordering on sheer magic. But even then, puppets were already morphing into the kind of entertainment seen to be fit for children.

04:58

So, there was this king named Antiochus Sisyphus, who ruled Syria from 115 to 95 BCE. And among his many charms, the king fancied himself a puppeteer. This was not considered to be behavior befitting of royalty. Listen to this report from a dude named Diodorus Siculus. Shortly after Antiochus Sisyphus gained the throne, he lapsed into drunken habits, crass self-indulgence, and pursuits utterly inappropriate to a king.

05:35

He delighted, for example, in mimes and exhibitionists, and generally in all showmen, and devoted himself eagerly to learning their crafts. He practiced also how to manipulate puppets and personally to keep in motion silver-plated and gilded animals, five cubits high, and many other such contrivances. On the other hand, he possessed no store of city-takers or other instruments of siege craft that might have brought him high renown and performed some service worth recording.

06:09

It's fun to imagine a king more focused on playing with puppets than in conquering distant lands or what have you, isn't it? Imagine that world for a second. You really think things here on Earth could be any worse if our global leaders were more like Jeff Dunham than Vladimir Putin? But you know how it is with our species.

06:26

It seems we'd rather have bloodshed than merriment. Oh, and by the way, a cubit is the distance from your shoulder to the tip of your finger. So, a puppet five cubits high, that's a pretty big puppet. Here's the thing about puppets that's as true today as it was thousands of years ago when our ancestors gasped in wonder at how the illusion of life could be breathed into a bundle of sticks and string.

06:54

Puppets have the power to show us both sides of the human soul. A puppet can be playful and light, set free of the limitations of the physical body and the rules imposed on us by society. Puppets can mock authority, can break the rules in ways that are harmless and funny. Puppets are immune to pain, to physical injury, to gravity even.

07:20

But a puppet can also take us into the dark, acting out the kinds of impulses that we repress and prohibit. A puppet can get away with the unspeakable. This is why ancient people enjoyed puppetry but also feared it. They saw puppets as existing somehow on the boundary line between dreams and reality, between the living and the dead.

07:49

Fast forward to now when puppets are still big entertainment. I mentioned Jeff Dunham. He's a comedian and a ventriloquist. He works with puppets. They're just called dummies when used by ventriloquists. Forbes ranked Jeff in the top three highest paid comedians in the US, something he's more than earned. He's a really brilliant guy. We've known him for a long time.

08:11

And what Jeff knows is this. His puppets, Walter, Ahmed the dead terrorist, Bubba J, Peanut, just to name a few, those puppets can get away with murder. And when you're in the audience, you completely fall under the spell of those inanimate little beings who've come suddenly to salty, silly, shocking life. And puppets are still enjoying a very comfortable spot in modern religion.

08:41

Let's talk about something called puppet ministry. It's a journey that will lead us straight to a monster. Now, your puppet ministry is a fine thing in and of itself. You can't blame the idea of puppet ministry for the monster we'll meet in this story, a monster who used it for evil, which is gross and unfortunate. But we know how people can be, don't we?

09:12

How people can take even the sweetest, most innocent things and warp them into something foul and perverse. According to a website called puppetministryworld.com, you can sum up the concept of puppet ministry like this. Puppet ministry is a team dedicated to sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ with your church community and the world using stories, songs, and humor through the art of puppetry.

09:39

And a great puppet ministry is designed to break down barriers in order to share the gospel and creative ways that appeal to children of all ages. Cool. The ancient Greeks couldn't have said it any better. And for some churches, the COVID lockdowns ended up leading to a resurgence in puppet ministry. Little kids can have a tough time sitting still and paying attention during church services.

10:02

Putting those services online didn't exactly help. Enter puppets. And suddenly kids were more engaged. Makes perfect sense, right? Congregations that rode the Christian puppetry wave in the 1990s only to see it fade out were back in business. And hopefully they were able to buy back their old puppets cheaply on eBay. Because, yeah, used church puppets were all over that site.

10:28

Some puppeteers, though, never abandoned that ministry, even as the novelty wore off and puppets found themselves replaced by big screen videos and mega church rock bands. Florida Christian puppeteer Ronald William Brown has been convicted of possession of child pornography. He also faced a charge of conspiracy to kidnap a child, but he was not convicted on that charge.

10:53

It turns out that last year authorities arrested him because they found child pornography in his home. And they also found that he had fantasies about killing children and eating them. Whoa, slow down there. We haven't even been introduced to Ronald William Brown. And here we are jumping straight to eating children. Patience, patience.

11:13

We have to start with Joy Junction, a Christian themed TV show for kids. It aired in the mid 1980s, though it apparently had a bit of a revival via syndication in the late 1990s through the early 2000s. The premise was fairly simple. The show was set in a make-believe village called Joy Junction. The host was Sheriff Don.

11:35

There was a nice lady named Mrs. Peterson and a gentleman called Professor Ron. The professor was a ventriloquist with a little puppet friend named Marty. Huh, if going to church every Sunday makes you a Christian, then going to McDonald's every week must make me a hamburger. Marty! Oh, Ron, it's true. Well, you do make a good point there.

12:01

Just going to church doesn't make a person a Christian. That's true. You know, Ron, you have to invite Jesus Christ to come into your heart and ask him to forgive you of your sins. That's right, Marty. And you know, after you do that, you're supposed to grow in the Lord. Huh? Well, I don't mean we're supposed to grow physically, but we are supposed to grow spiritually.

12:21

You know, I'm thinking of 2 Peter 3.18, which says we're supposed to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Well, what does that mean? Well, it just simply means, Marty, that we're supposed to get to know the Lord better and grow in our relationship with him. Professor Ron, played by Ronald William Brown.

12:43

Brown had his own business, an outfit called Puppets Plus, that he started in 1992. He performed at shopping centers and Pinellas County schools and summer camps and even volunteered at the Gulf Coast Church near his home in Largo, Florida. He was the kind of guy who gave the neighborhood kids free pizza and offered them rides in the church van.

13:05

And then came July 20, 2012, when police showed up at his door in the Whispering Pines Mobile Home Park. They arrested the 57-year-old on federal charges of conspiring to kidnap children. Were the neighbors shocked at this turn of events? Not really. One neighbor, Laura Jean Sheik, told a local TV news reporter, He was an antisocial, strange person.

13:31

He would never associate or speak to any adults. But another neighbor said that parents had no idea that the man offering their kids free pizza and free rides was being anything other than helpful. Maybe it's me and my insane background, but a man who lives alone, doesn't speak to me, but offers my kid pizza and a ride is a man made up entirely of giant red flags all waving furiously in the wind.

14:00

But I'm just suspicious that way, I guess. Anyhow, the police hauled puppeteer Ronald William Brown off in handcuffs. At the time of his arrest, Brown had no prior criminal record. But he did have a couple of encounters with law enforcement that were disturbing in hindsight, and honestly, maybe should have been way more disturbing at the time they happened.

14:23

Like the traffic stop in 1998, where a Pinellas County Sheriff's deputy spotted a pair of boys' underwear briefs partly stuffed into the driver's seat beside Brown. When questioned, Brown told the officer that the underpants were from one of his puppets. Which, yeah, would seem to be the kind of response that might raise an eyebrow, but I guess it was the 90s and people were like, cool, your puppet wears underpants.

14:50

Alrighty then, watch your speed and have a good night. Brown's next run-in with the law came in 2010, when Largo police responded to a call about Brown driving around with a young boy in his car. That one turned out to be a false alarm. The boy was just one of many to whom Brown offered rides, and the child's parents were fine with it.

15:12

But when Brown was arrested that afternoon in July 2012, the cops were working with more than a pair of boys' underwear, and a 911 call from a concerned neighbor. The Department of Homeland Security had launched an international investigation into child pornography called Operation Holitna. That led agents first to Boston, then to the Netherlands, then to a Kansas man named Michael Arnett, and from there to Ronald William Brown in Florida.

15:44

Brown's arrest was one of 40 arrests made in six countries. The details in the arrest report and the legal filings are gruesome. Arnett was arrested in Kansas City more than a month before cops picked up Brown, from the documents filed in March of 2013 in U.S. District Court. Through the forensic examination of Arnett's computers, it was discovered that Arnett had been communicating with and exchanging child pornography materials with other individuals using online chat programs, as well as engaging in extremely graphic discussions regarding the kidnapping, sexual abusing, murdering, and eating of children.

16:28

One of the individuals that Arnett was discussing, the abuse, abduction, murder, and cannibalism of children, was using the Yahoo screen name ULIME. A subpoena directed to Yahoo for screen name ULIME showed that it belonged to the defendant, Ronald Brown. A search warrant was obtained for Brown's mobile home. What was found?

16:52

Hundreds of images of child pornography and child erotica, including various images showing children being bound and tortured. Additionally, Brown had hundreds of images of deceased children. On the Dell computer, multiple devices were seized by the police. Brown possessed numerous images of child pornography, including two images of a naked baby whose hands were bound to his legs, which were separated and splayed apart, displaying his genitalia in a lewd and lascivious manner.

17:23

The baby victim has been identified by law enforcement, and the images were taken in California, and thus traveled in interstate commerce. I know this stuff is hard to hear. Take a breath. And do you think we might agree that the phrase child erotica is appalling and needs to be set on fire? Also, we now refer to these kinds of images and this kind of content as child sexual abuse materials, or CSAM.

17:55

Calling it pornography or erotica lends a twisted legitimacy to what is so clearly criminal abuse. And before you try to both sides me on this, maybe check yourself and ask why this is a hill you want to die on. You think that any infant or any child is capable of consent? Back to the legal documents. Brown had quite the collection of floppy disks in that year of Our Lord 2012, a full year after that particular storage media was considered graveyard dead.

18:26

But the feds had no trouble viewing what was on those floppies. I'll spare you the worst of it and just tell you that Brown had a taste for prepubescent boys from the heartland, places like Illinois and Wisconsin. I can't spare you this next finding because you need to know what kind of monsters are prowling around our kids in the places that we think are the safest.

18:52

Further forensic review revealed that on May 28, 2012, just 54 days before police showed up at Brown's home, the puppeteer had knowingly received numerous CSAM images from an individual he was chatting with online who shared that they had photos of nude boys and babies, including some images of children who were bound and tied.

19:15

Brown was apparently delighted to hear this, responding that he would very much enjoy seeing boys tied up. As the chat progressed, Brown went further, saying that he liked seeing boys urinating while tied up. In response to one image in particular, Brown gushed that he'd, quote, love to snuff him, meaning the child. Then he gloated, the tied up ones are best.

19:41

During a post-arrest interview with police, Brown admitted that ULIME was indeed his Yahoo alias and that he'd created a folder on his computer for the images he'd received in these chats on Yahoo Instant Messenger. Often in a case like this one, folks close to the perpetrator express shock and bewilderment at the offenses.

20:03

He was a nice guy, they say, or he was quiet and minded his own business, they say. He just loved kids and we figured they loved him too, they say. But in the case of Ronald William Brown, it feels like there was more than a little weird and sketchy stuff just out there, right in plain sight, if anyone was paying attention.

20:27

Like this exchange between Ronald and his dummy Marty that aired on the TV show Joy Junction. And when I got over there I noticed that some of the kids were kind of giggling and laughing, you know, and I wondered why they were doing that. Well, why were they doing it? Well, they said, Marty, come over here and take a look at our pictures.

20:46

So I walked on over there and I took a look and do you know what it was? What was it, Marty? Well, it was in Arizona, I'll tell you that right now. Ron, they were looking at some dirty pictures and they wanted me to look too. Well, Marty, what did you do? Well, I said, look, guys, I like you a lot and I want to play with you, but I can't look at those pictures.

21:12

I just can't do it. Well, what did they say, Marty? They said, oh, Marty, come on, your parents are in the house. No one will see. Well, what did you say? I said, that may be true, but I know someone who will see, and that's God. I want to shout out YouTuber CringeVenom for hunting down and compiling some of this material from Joy Junction because that show vanished from the Internet after Brown's arrest.

21:38

To be fair, only Ronald William Brown was guilty of criminal wrongdoing. The rest of the team was guilty only of creating programming for kids that managed to be both painfully awkward and terribly condescending. And for not seeing that Brown was, regardless of his other sins, a truly wretched ventriloquist. And Marty the puppet was disturbing to behold.

22:04

But I digress. Stretching as far as humanly possible to give the producers of Joy Junction the benefit of the doubt here, because who knew the truth about Brown back then? Knowing who he is now, it's hard to watch or listen to a clip like this without your skin crawling. Humans have an instinct that helps protect us from predators.

22:25

And this guy and his icky puppet Marty? Tell me your inner alarms aren't chiming. IDN Homeland Security tells me they do not expect a third raid of Ronald Brown's trailer home in Largo, at least not anytime soon. At this hour, bags of possible new clues seized late last night are headed for a crime lab. Agents can't tell us what's in those bags yet.

22:49

The 57-year-old puppeteer is accused of crimes against children. Authorities say Brown had pictures of boys with their hands and feet bound. Brown's already appeared in federal court where detectives say he admitted to chatting with another man online about cooking children and eating their remains. Prosecutors attempted to negotiate a plea deal with Brown.

23:07

In November 2012, Brown backed out of a tentative plea agreement that would have seen him pleading guilty to a handful of lesser charges. Brown wanted a jury trial. Despite the likelihood that federal prosecutors would come at him harder in a courtroom with more serious charges carrying more significant consequences. Sure enough, a month later, the feds filed a new indictment against Brown.

23:32

Eight felony CSAM charges. Brown's rejected plea deal would have resulted in the man serving only six years in prison. Should he be found guilty by a jury on one or more of these eight charges? Brown was staring down 20 years to life. I swear y'all, the perversity here is exceeded only just barely by the stupidity. Then again, can you really expect a man charged with wanting to eat children to make clear and rational decisions about anything else?

24:03

The new indictment also revealed that Brown was in possession of hundreds and hundreds of images of deceased children. Sheriff Don, Marty was telling me a little earlier about some kind of problem he was having at school and I wanted to find out what was going on. What seems to be happening at school, Marty? Is it a big problem?

24:22

Yes, a very serious one too. Well, exactly what's going on, Marty? Well, it seems like I'm hearing a lot of swear words. All the kids are using swear words these days. And I'm afraid one of them is going to slip out of my mouth one of these days. Well, Marty, can't you just avoid those kids that are using the bad words?

24:44

No way. It's everywhere. In the gym, in class, even at recess and lunch. Everywhere I go I keep hearing kids using bad words. And I just don't know what to do about it, Ron. Other revelations included online chats where Brown confessed to touching young boys while in a swimming pool on a cruise ship. And investigators seized a blow-up sex doll dressed in children's clothing from Brown's home.

25:16

If going to church every Sunday makes you a Christian, then going to McDonald's every week must make me a hamburger. Marty! Well, Ron, it's true. Well, you do make a good point there. Just going to church doesn't make a person a Christian. That's true. You know, Ron, you have to invite Jesus Christ to come into your heart and ask him to forgive you of your sins.

25:40

That's right, Marty. And, you know, after you do that, you're supposed to grow in the Lord. On Monday, July 15, 2013, now 58-year-old Ron William Brown was sentenced to 20 years in federal prison followed by lifetime probation. He was ordered to register as a sex offender and was banned from having access to any computer with online services.

26:02

As for his defense, it came down to this. I did what I did, but I would never kill and eat a child for real. Those were just my fantasies. Yeah, well, tell that to the parents of the one little boy at Brown's church who Brown had identified as an especially choice candidate for killing and eating. Brown's attorney kind of shrugged and declared that his client lives in a fantasy world and what lawyer can defend a fantasy?

26:30

Let's sit with that for a second. And done. Prosecutor, Assistant U.S. Attorney Amanda Kaiser argued that Brown wasn't even interested exclusively in living children. Brown had a taste for dead children. Brown, Kaiser argued, had gone so far as contacting a local funeral home in search of possible opportunities that would put him in proximity to dead bodies.

26:56

And just when you think things can't possibly look any more damning for Brown, out comes the pile of journals the man kept over the years. Page after page in Brown's own handwriting, going as far back as 1979. Brown detailed his obsessions, scrawling paragraph after paragraph about one individual boy after another. He wrote about meeting some of these boys through his puppet ministry at various churches in Pinellas County.

27:27

One series of journal entries dated 1993 charted Brown's fixation on a middle school age boy. Brown wrote of repeatedly driving past Dunedin Middle School in hopes of seeing the child. In another section, he ranted furiously over how angry he was with a different boy for having lost interest in the puppets. U.S. Attorney Kaiser described the journals as showing a pattern of obsession, infatuation and resentment with constant references to puppets, amusings about murder.

28:04

Fantasies or not, acted upon or not, Federal Judge James D. Whittemore was blunt and unequivocal at sentencing. Perverted is not a strong enough word to describe what you have been engaging in. Horrific, that is getting close. Unimaginable, that is getting closer. Being a parent means walking a tightrope strung between blind terror and blind optimism.

28:29

You know there's a bottomless chasm on one side, patiently waiting for that one misstep, that one stroke of bad luck, for the chaotic randomness of it all to give you the gentlest of shoves. But you frantically run the odds in your head, throw up all the protections and wards you can come up with and tell yourself over and over and over that there are more good people than bad in this world.

28:56

And we have to hope that that's true. We have to make ourselves believe it's true. How else do we keep going? Can't wait to see the horror in the child's eyes. Can't wait to see them being fearful. It's that person taking pleasure in the terror of the victim. Dr. Valerie McClain's a psychologist who's analyzed several high-profile criminal cases.

29:18

She says the transcripts filled with details about the Largo puppeteer binding and suffocating children, even cooking them in an oven, makes this fantasy one that borders on criminal reality. Taking a body part, mutilating, eating that body part, that's a pretty detailed plan. But then it becomes a situation where the impulse basically dominates reality.

29:42

In most hands, a puppet is just an inanimate thing with a painted-on smile. The puppeteer is always in control. The puppet has no thoughts of its own. No motives. No cravings. At least you hope so. There's a movie that came out in the late 1970s called Magic. It starred Sir Anthony Hopkins and Anne Margaret. Hopkins plays a ventriloquist named Corky, trying to reignite a relationship with his old high school sweetheart, played by Anne Margaret.

30:15

But Corky has a problem. His dummy, Fats, seems to have developed a mind of his own. Abracadabra, I sit on his knee. Presto, chango, and now he is me. Hocus pocus, we take her to bed. Magic is real. We're dead. Where does the puppeteer end and the puppet begin? You're crazy. I tried to stop him, didn't I? Tried? Tried?

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You failed. Dammit, look at me. You know, it's the hatch for you. There's nothing wrong with me. I know that, and you know that. But all those piss-haired trolls who run the world, they hate us because we're special. Runner William Brown claims he lived in a fantasy world, a world where the children he entertained at schools and summer camps and churches weren't just an audience.

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They were prey. And his puppets weren't merely things cobbled together from bits of wood and cloth and resin and wire. Brown's puppets were an extension of himself. It was the puppet's hand that could reach out and stroke a boy's hair. It was the puppet who beckoned the children to come closer, and then closer still. The puppet who made it all okay, all safe and harmless and wholesome.

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The only thing special about Ronald William Brown is that he got caught. Most don't. Remember that. Most of these child predators stay under the radar and never face any consequences for their actions. Brown did. And though he appealed his conviction in 2020, he lost that case too. This is an ugly, troubling story. So let's try to end on an inspirational note.

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There was this one episode of Joy Junction where Professor Ron and his little puppet buddy Marty were feeling a little bit down. You know, like you do when the feds have charged you with eight felony counts of possession of child sex abuse materials. Oops, I mean when you've been tempted by Satan to be a naughty boy instead of a good boy.

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A kindly little girl named Sarah Edens took the stage and offered up this helpful song. Never give up, never give up. Jesus never gave up on you. So never give up, never give up. His love will always see you through. Never give up, never give up. You were lost, but now you're found. So never give up, never give up. The Lord will never let you down.

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Next time on True Weird Stuff. It was a procedure meant to revitalize a man's health. To give him back his youthful energy and stamina. A simple procedure, really, just a little snip snip and you're a new guy. With a dead murderer's testicles swapped out for your own. Or maybe you got some goat testes. Either way, we're having a ball on the next True Weird Stuff.

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This is horrifying stuff. It's just horrifying. You think your kids are safe at school. At least from sexual predators and certainly at church. But the Ronald William Brown story reminds us that there's really no safe place. And I want to disclose something here. Part of the reason why we told this story in this episode.

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So I'm just one person. I've got a couple of kids. Just one person. I live in a medium sized city. My kids went to public school. I have had four different significant encounters with men charged with the sexual abuse of children. The first was a teacher at my children's school. Who disappeared abruptly. One day he was there.

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The next day he was in Canada. The story came out. Years later, another teacher at that same school. Big, big, massive public K-8 school. Found to be molesting a student. Arrested and gone. And then there was the day. My girls were at their dad's house. And my phone rang. And I looked down and I recognized the name of one of my older daughter's friends.

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Dad. So I answered the phone. And I said, hey, what's up? And he said, I wanted to call you and tell you this myself before you heard it from somewhere else. And then he proceeded to share with me that he had been arrested and charged with CSAM. He was actually part of the same international homeland security sting that got this guy, as it turned out.

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And he got caught the same way this guy got caught. Ronald William Brown. They were they had arrested another person. And there was Paul's IP address and scads and slews and reams of evidence against him. He was sentenced to prison for 10 years. That's a big that's a big deal. And he wanted me to know that although this had happened and he was very ashamed of himself and was certainly praying for God to guide him better.

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That he had never actually touched either one of my daughters. And I want you to imagine taking that phone call. My kids had had sleepovers at his house and play dates. They'd been there for birthday parties. I trust it. This man. I thought he was a good involved dad. And it turned out that he was going not to jail but to prison for possession and reproduction and sharing deeply aggressive and disturbing child sexual abuse materials.

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Fast forward a few years. There's another school teacher. This one not at my kids school. But he's all over Snapchat looking for little girls. I ended up in the courtroom where that guy stood trial and got a slap on the wrist. I am one person in a medium sized city. Completely in every way ordinary to the extreme. Four encounters with pedophiles preying on children.

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And where do the wolves go? The wolves go where the sheep are. The predators go where the prey is. And so it's critically important that as disturbing and troubling and devastating as stories like Ronald William Brown's are. They need to be told. Because when they aren't told. When we're so ashamed and grossed out and horrified and it's just too much.

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It's so unbearable. It's swept under the carpet. And these offenders are given incredibly light sentences. The only reason that Ronald William Brown was sent off because it was a federal case at this point. When he knocked out of his plea deal. Was sent off to a federal corrections institute and held. The only reason is because it didn't go through the local court system.

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The state. The municipal court system. I have seen predator. I've made it my business to follow these people. And I've seen predator after predator with shocking and extraordinary evidence against them. Walk away. A little bit of time. Two years plus time served. Probation. Sex offender registry. The data on recidivism.

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Reoffending. For pedophiles. It's damning. And we can't. We can't say with one face. That we love our children and want to protect our children. And it's the children. The children. The children. And then with the other face. Close our eyes. Because it's so incredibly distasteful. So there you go. I have a real personal stake.

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In stories like this one. And I'm really determined to get them out there. To tell these stories. And to beg you to look at these offenders. Because they're walking amongst us. And more devastatingly. They're walking amongst our kids. I mean Max. You've ridden along with me for everything that I just disclosed. Yeah. You know.

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Where's the lie? Where's even the exaggeration? If anything. I'm holding back. Well. And I had a co-worker. A guy that worked as a salesman at the previous radio station. Where I had worked. Who did federal time. For this very same thing that you're talking about. And I think the thing that is most haunting and horrifying.

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Is the fact that most of them won't get caught. That they'll do this. And they won't get caught. They don't get caught. The thing with Brown. So. You know. It's an old story. Oh. He's a guy that gets off on little boys. Tragically. That's not really a novelty for humanity. What really jumped the shark with Brown. And why the feds came down on him so hard.

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And we didn't. You can probably find podcasts. They will read verbatim. All of the arrest reports and court filings. It's appalling. It's so hard. I mean. I have read through these documents with tears streaming down my face. We opted to. Go easy on that here at true weird stuff. Because this isn't about. Sensationalizing or shocking you.

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This is about telling a story that. Needs to be told. The number of people. Parents that I've asked. Like. Hey. Do you know about this guy in Florida. The Christian puppeteer dude. Who. You know. Was using his puppets to groom children. And they didn't know. Because. It. It makes just the briefest blip on the local news.

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And then it gets swallowed up by the next. Headline. These guys don't get caught. And. And. You know. I know there are women too. But it's. You know. If you look at the data. Sorry boys. It's mostly male. They don't get caught. And when they do get caught. They often don't. Suffer the consequences. I spent some time. Talking to.

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A detective. Who. Heads up a task force. In a. Neighboring state. Who told me. That part of the reason. That these cases. Do not get prosecuted. Is because the parents. Are desperate to protect their children. From further harm. And to expose the child. To the legal process. Is no small thing. That leads. That legal process.

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Looks something like this. Your child is brought in. For a forensic interview. And you the parent. Are not in the room. And after that. Forensic interview. Which is in itself. Its own kind of trauma. Your child may. Or may not. Elect. To testify against. The offender. In open court. I want you to imagine. What that is like.

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For a child. For a mother. A father. A family. It's extremely. Difficult. It's scarring. And traumatizing. And according to the detective. That talked to me. You know the overwhelming. Majority of families. Choose to not do it. And I understand. I get it. Having sat in a courtroom. Or two. And watched these cases. Be prosecuted.

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And watched. These offenders. Walk away with. Very light. Consequences. In many cases. You understand. Why a parent. Would. Seek to protect. Their child. From that. But. As long as we keep. Leaving. Sheep. Close to the. Fence line. For the wolves. To snatch. The wolves. Have very little. Incentive. To alter. Their own behavior.

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And the internet. Has just. Amplified. All of those. Opportunities. For. Predators. Even. You know. You've heard of. The dark web. See. Sam. Images of. Children. Once. An offender. Has been. Arrested. We'll talk about. Ronald. William. Brown. Here. Law. Enforcement. Takes those. Images. And they. Watermark. Them. So. That they can.

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Follow. Their journey. Around. The dark web. Because. When you've heard that. You can never. Really. Truly. Delete. Anything. That's true. That's true. And for those. Children. Who have been. Victimized. Those. That have been. Bought and sold. And traded. That are circulating. Like the baby. Whose identity. They were able.

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To trace back. To California. That's forever. And the best. That you can hope for. Is. That that. Watermarked. Image. Will set off. A ping. Which will lead. To another. Offender. Getting a knock. On the door. Man. That's very unsatisfying. Isn't it? I mean. It. It. It hardly makes up. For the damage. That's being done.

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So. Max. Talk to me. About the guy. Who lives alone. And is always inviting. The neighbor boys. Over for pizza. And giving them rides. You're not. You're a dog. Dad. Which I know. Is something. Like make fun of. Please don't call me a dog. Dad. I'm a dog lover. But you see. You're not a parent. But. But if someone is not a parent.

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Does that not. Do you not look at that. And go. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Yeah. I mean. I think you should. I mean. If something. Seems wrong. If something. Doesn't seem right. It's. Probably not. I mean. I don't know what. Michael Jackson. Did or didn't do. But I can look at that situation. And say. Something doesn't seem right here.

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Normal people. Don't act this way. Normal. Healthy. People. Don't act this way. I don't know what he did. Or didn't do. But if you're seeing. A situation. Where that's happening. I think that. I think you need to have. Lots of questions. The pattern. You know. When. Okay. You see it once. Sorry. Yeah. That's a little strange.

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You see it twice. Well. It's a little. But it. It's a lifestyle. Now. As it was for. Ronald William Brown. In his neighborhood. And. And everyone knew. Oh yeah. You know. He lives alone. He has. He's a puppeteer. He. Has pizza parties. For the neighbor kids. And. Drives them around. In the church van. Like. I would ever let one of my kids.

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Participate in that. Come on. And the sad thing is. Here's the sad thing. Guys like that. Ruin it. For the genuinely good people. Who are. Altruistic. And kind. They ruin it. This is. This is the thing. That's always so sad. I mean. It really is. But. You're thinking. Well. He's doing this. From a religious bent. Which makes you.

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Perhaps give him. A little bit more. Trust. Because of that. You go. Well. This is what he's doing. He's just being. A good guy. And he's trying to. You know. Spread. Spread. The message of Jesus. And. That's what he's doing. So. You give them. Trust. It's like. The seminary school. That I went to. That. We talked about.

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On a previous episode. About the bishop. You. Giving my. The parents. Of those children. Who went to those. Who are those young men. Who went to the school. That I went to. They trusted. Those men. Who were there. They trusted them. And. You. You have to have some trust. In some people. At some point. Along the line. But.

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You have to be very careful. I think that. We probably know more. About it now. Than we did before. I think what happened. A lot of times. Is it was. It was. It was swept under the rug. And it didn't come out. And I don't think nearly. As many people were convicted. Of such things. Now we didn't have the internet. Either.

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But you certainly had. Predatory behavior. And people that were grooming. Children and whatnot. Oh. It's ancient. Yeah. Yeah. I think that is an. Ancient. Ancient thing. And. And when you look at. Like the materials. That Nambla puts out. That's the National Association. Of Man Boy Love. Because there are people. Who advocate.

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That. That is. That is an appropriate. Relationship. An adult male. And a. A child. There are people who advocate. For that. And when you look at those. Materials. You're like. Whoa. Man. This is a parallel universe. Stuff right here. Like. What. What. And I've gotten into. Some pretty heated. Conversations. With people.

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On this subject. Because. Outside of my. Like. Regular. Working. Life. And my. Regular. Kind of. Public life. I've had all of this. Other. Stuff. Swirling in the background. For me. For. Gosh. Let me think. Probably. Let's see. My oldest daughter. Twelve years. Or more. Yeah. A little bit longer than that. Actually. Because she was in third grade.

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With the first. When the first teacher. In a puff of smoke. As parents. You know. Knowledge. Is. Power. If you. If you. Understand. What's out there. You're better. Able. To spot. The red flags. And see them. For what they are. And I would also. Say this. To parents. And to children. Your. Human. About. Predator. And.

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Prey. That. You should always trust that. There's an incredible book. That I tell everyone to read. By. Gavin. DeBecker. It's called The Gift of Fear. And. In it. Gavin DeBecker. And. If you're going. Where do I know that name? Where do I know that name? Where do I know that name? Take you all the way back to the nineties.

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In the O.J. Simpson trial. Gavin DeBecker. Is an expert. In. Security. And protection. And. He. Remember. He was all over the press. Right. Right around that time. So. The Gift of Fear. Is an extraordinary book. And. And what it. The message basically comes down to this. That feeling that you have. That something's. Wrong here.

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That you should leave. Right now. You should listen to that. Every. Single. Time. I don't care. If getting up. And walking out. Looks. Rude. I don't care. If you're. Afraid of hurting. Someone's. Feelings. That. Voice. That's telling you. This is wrong. I want to go. Is the one voice. To listen to. And so. For parents.

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Who. Don't want. To hear this kind of stuff. And they don't want to know. It exists. It's. All. It's. A nightmare. Made real. The. Reason. To. Look. William. Brown. Like. Him. And. To. Not. Change. The. Channel. To. Not. Turn. Away. Is. To. Give. That. Little. Instinctive. Voice. Inside. Of you. A bit. I don't think it's rude.

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You. If. At. Any. Time. Something. Feels. Wrong. You. Act. On. That. If. At. Any. Time. You. Need. To. Come. Home. I. Will. Come. And. Get. You. But. Of. Course. No. Matter. What. You. No. Matter. How. Many. Like. I. Say. In. The. Episode. No. How. Many. Magical. Protections. You. Throw. Up. Around. Your. Family. Nothing.

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The. Wall. Is. Perfect. No. Wall. Keeps. All. Of. Them. Out. Especially. When. The. Gather. Where. The. Sheep. Are. At. School. And. Camp. And. Sunday. I. Can't. Obituary. I. Can't. Find. A. Grave. Couldn't. Find. A. Death. Certificate. Which. Tells. Me. That. Probably. Alive. And. You. Know. Whether. He. Was. Paroled.

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Or. Not. He's. Probably. Still. Alive. But. I. Know. And. That's. Creepy. Too. Now. I. Could. Have. Spent. A. More. Money. And. Really. Hunting. The. Monster. Can't. Invest. One. Minutes. Time. Into. My. Hunt. For. This. Monster. I. Should have. Asked. Just. That. Looking. The mug. Max's. Instincts. Are. Very. Sharp. In fact.

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If you're. Like. Dating. Someone. To. Your. The. Best. Way. To. Protect. Your. Kids. And. Yourself. Is. To. Not. Pretend. That. This. Doesn't. Happen. Don't. Deny. Don't. Look. Away. Look. At. The. The. Eye. And. That. Inner. Voice. Guide. You. Because. That. Voice. Telling. You. This. Is. Bad. Go. That's. The. One. Not.

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The. Voice. Telling. You. Oh. Don't. Judgmental. Oh. But. He. Loves. The. Oh. But. It's. Just. A. Oh. But. Look. At. The. Puppet. That's. The. Wrong. Voice. The. Right. Voice. Is. Sketchy. And. Untrustworthy. And. Not. Saying. Something. For. A. Freaking. Puppet. Right. Okay. Like. There's. Something. Wrong. With. This.

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Puppet. All. By. Himself. And. As. I. Also. Said. What. A. Ventriloquist. Like. Like. That. Was. The. Other. Thing. That. My. Instinctive. Wires. Like. Man. You. Really. Want. To. Be. Around. These. Kids. Something. Fierce. Because. Even. Bothered. To. Try. To. Be. A. Ventriloquist. It's. Just. Hide. Your. Kids. Your.

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Wife. Is. That. Internet. Memes. Said. Hide. Yourself. Because. They're. All. About. Weird. Weird. Stuff. Media. Production. Executive. Producer. Is. Anthony. Garcia. The. Show. Is. Written. And. Hosted. By. Me. Sherry. Lynch. Along. With. My. Deeply. Weird. Director. Max. Sweeten. Our. Equally. Odd. Producer. Is. Carrie.

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