Case file 160Killers & PoisonersBefore 1800

The Terrible Tale of Sawney Bean: Scotland's Cannibal Clan

Deep inside a hidden Scottish cave, Sawney Bean and his family of 48 allegedly spent decades hunting travelers for food. Their horrifying story has haunted Scotland for centuries.

Oct 30, 20261h 22m
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In this episode

  • Sawney Bean and his wife, Black Agnes, allegedly raised a 48-member clan of cannibals in a hidden cave along Scotland's Ayrshire coast.
  • As travelers vanished across southwest Scotland, innocent innkeepers were blamed and executed, driving others to abandon their businesses.
  • A husband and wife returning from a fair encountered the murderous clan, setting off a manhunt led by King James VI.
  • Four hundred soldiers and a pack of bloodhounds searched the Scottish coastline, eventually uncovering the horrors concealed inside a seaside cave.
  • The legend inspired Wes Craven's 1977 horror film The Hills Have Eyes, while writer Tom Doran explored the troubling origins of the Sawney Bean story.

“Monsters are real, by the way. You can sometimes spot one across the room, across the table, in the mirror.”

The story

For centuries, Scottish children were warned about a man who lived in a sea cave with his wife, their children and their children's children, and who ate the travelers he robbed. His name was Alexander Bean, better known as Sawney, and by the end his family numbered 48. Whether a single one of them ever existed is another question entirely.

Scary stories have always carried a lesson. In the ancient Mesopotamian Epic of Gilgamesh, a wild man named Enkidu is condemned to death after flinging a bull's leg at a goddess. Sawney Bean's lesson was blunter: the world is full of terrible people, including people who might even try to eat you.

A bad seed and a cold bride

According to legend, Sawney Bean was born in 16th-century Scotland, where poverty and hard labor shaped the lives of ordinary people. His father was a ditch digger (or a hedge trimmer, or a tanner, depending on who's telling it), a poor man who broke his back for wages that barely fed his family. Sawney wanted no part of that life. He bolted, and he didn't go alone. He ran off with a beautiful girl named Agnes, who shared his distaste for honest work. People whispered that she was a witch, for all the usual reasons a headstrong, smart young woman got that label. But Agnes also had a coldness to her, a flat, calculating look, like a predatory bird.

Two young lovers allergic to work still had to eat. Crime was the obvious answer.

A house under the tide

The Ayrshire coast of southwest Scotland is a vacation spot today. In the 16th century it was muddy tracks, frigid rivers with no bridges, and sheer cliffs dropping into an icy sea. Over the ages the tides had carved a network of caves into those cliffs, invisible from above and reachable only at low tide by someone who knew the way. Sawney and Agnes moved into a dry chamber within one of these caves, a hidden system said to stretch almost a mile into the rock, with seawater filling nearly the first 200 yards.

They took up robbery and did it thoroughly. They "never robbed anyone whom they did not murder." At first nobody noticed. Travelers disappeared all the time in that country, from a lame horse, a snakebite, or no help for miles. But a merchant vanished, then a pair of farmers headed to market, then the next and the next. Many of the spies sent to investigate never came back. Frightened locals hanged innocent travelers on flimsy suspicion and executed innkeepers whose only crime was that a missing guest had slept under their roof. So many were killed that other innkeepers quit the trade, which left even fewer safe beds on the road. Not one of the hanged men confessed at the gallows.

Meanwhile the cave was filling up. Agnes, now called Black Agnes for what people assumed was her black and shriveled heart, had eight sons and six daughters. The clan never mixed with outsiders, and eventually there were 14 granddaughters and 18 grandsons. The horrifying implication was that generations of the family had been born from incestuous relationships.

Stolen coins couldn't feed 48 people. So the clan cut their victims into quarters, pickled the limbs and ate them. They had so much left over that at night they threw arms and legs into the sea, and the tides washed them up on beaches far from the cave. Washington state and British Columbia experienced their own unsettling mystery beginning in 2007, when severed feet still wearing sneakers began washing ashore. Scientists explained most of the phenomenon through natural decomposition, scavengers feeding on soft tissue around the ankles, and modern sneakers buoyant enough to keep the detached feet afloat.

The weird part

A King of Scotland supposedly led 400 soldiers and a pack of bloodhounds into a cave full of pickled human limbs, then executed 45 cannibals without a trial. Yet no written record, no song and no victim's family ever mentioned it.

The one who got away

The clan would attack as many as six people on foot, but left groups of more than two riders alone, because no one could be allowed to escape. Then they ambushed a husband and wife riding one horse home from a fair. The husband fought back with sword and pistol and rode some of the attackers down. His wife fell from behind him, and the female cannibals cut her throat and drank her blood "as if it had been wine," according to the Newgate Calendar. Then twenty or thirty people from the same fair came up the road together, and the Beans ran for the woods.

He was the first person ever to get away from them alive. The fairgoers took him to Glasgow, the provost (the city's chief official) sent word to the king, and King James VI launched a manhunt with 400 soldiers and a pack of bloodhounds. The widower served as their guide.

The soldiers walked right past the cave. The bloodhounds didn't. They went in howling and refused to come back out. Carrying torches through twisting tunnels, the men found arms and legs "hung up in rows like dried beef," more limbs in pickle, and heaps of gold, silver, watches, rings, pistols and clothing. And there was the clan itself, its faces blank and hostile, like crocodiles.

The king decided their crimes were so monstrous that they didn't deserve a trial. The Newgate Calendar described them as "professed enemies to mankind." Forty-five were taken to the port of Leith. The men and boys had their hands and feet cut off and were left to bleed to death. The women and girls, judged to be witches, were burned alive.

No song, no record

The legend later inspired Wes Craven's 1977 film The Hills Have Eyes, in which a vacationing family encounters a cave-dwelling clan of cannibals in the New Mexico desert. Craven wanted to explore how easily the last traces of civilized behavior could be stripped away from ordinary human beings.

The harder question is whether any of it happened. A king leading 400 soldiers against a clan of cannibals and then executing 45 people should have left some trace in the historical record. But there's no reliable contemporary evidence that it ever happened. The closest reference discussed in the episode is a 1750 broadsheet mentioning a Scottish folktale about a man called Sandy Bane who ate live cats. The late American writer and musician Tom Doran, the son of an immigrant from Glasgow, believed the Sawney Bean legend was a sensationalized, anti-Scottish invention, possibly created by the English to portray their northern neighbors as savages. Even the nickname Sawney, he argued, was derogatory. There were no contemporary accounts of the king's supposed expedition, no documented eyewitnesses, and no known family histories connecting anyone to the alleged victims.

The Newgate Calendar, a collection of accounts of notorious criminals and their punishments, preserved many of the gruesome details associated with the Sawney Bean legend. But the story's extraordinary claims are difficult to reconcile with the absence of contemporary evidence. How could a family of 48 cannibals murder hundreds of travelers, attract the attention of a king, and face mass execution without leaving a reliable historical record?

Scotland's dangerous roads, isolated coastline, and history of violence provided fertile ground for terrifying stories. Some believe the legend grew from older tales of Scottish cannibals, including Christie Cleek. Others suspect it was deliberately invented as anti-Scottish propaganda. Whatever its origins, the story of Sawney Bean has survived for centuries, not because anyone has proved it happened, but because some stories are simply too horrifying to forget.

The transcript

Chapters & full transcript11,823 words
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  1. 00:33A rhyme to frighten children
  2. 08:39The ditch digger's runaway son
  3. 15:13The cave beneath the cliffs
  4. 25:08The survivor and the king's hounds
  5. 36:48Fact, fable or propaganda
  6. 47:55A tabloid for the gallows

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Hey true weirdos, thank you so much for listening because of your support we have picked up some more awards in this past year including three w3 awards a gold for writing one for History episode and also best in show for the episode the living corpse We also picked up a silver signal award for best Independent podcast and be sure to subscribe rate and review on whatever platform you listen to us Helps in discovery and tell a friend if you like it, and thanks again for your support This is the story of saunee bean a man who lived by the sea With his wife and children. They shared a cave back in the 16th century The author of the poem is unknown Unlike the story of saunee bean, which has been terrifying the children of Scotland for centuries Children shared this dismal dwelling 22 more would follow as well was they all had incestuous Relationships that would add to this family from hell The kid who lives across the street and the kid who lived 800 years ago have something in common curiosity Parents now and parents back then have something in common, too Children can be hard to keep safe Childhood curiosity coupled with zero knowledge of the world has always been a danger How to make the young understand how risky it can be just to exist now the life This clan lived was very hard because food it was in short supply So he robbed any passing Travelers then he killed them and I'll tell you why so we gather our children close And we say do you want to hear a story you see the bean family?

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They were cannibals Human flesh was their cravings and perversions For many years they hid in their cave where they butchered more than 1,000 persons See we say this is why you must obey and behave For the world is filled with terrible dangers Terrible people People who might try to take you and hurt you or as the children of Scotland once learned people who might even try to eat you People like Sonny Bean and his cave dwelling clan of cannibals the question is Was any of it real?

02:54

Was any of it? And they got a small beam of light Stuff Once upon a time Four words that unlock an ancient human power the power of story Since the very beginning of our reign on this earth We've gathered around the collective fire to tell and hear the stories of who and what we are tales of heroic battles of great love spanning distance and time stories of wild beasts hungry fangs and claws Stories of gods and monsters and ghosts stories of danger and horror and triumph The heat of the fire warming our faces while the weight of the darkness all around presses against our backs The first recorded ghost story in human history dates all the way back to Mesopotamia it's the story of a king a Semi-divine ruler one-third man two-thirds God and his many adventures at the dawn of civilization It's called the epic of Gilgamesh now Gilgamesh was the very definition of a mighty king as in he wielded a mighty power and ruled with such a Stern and heavy hand that his people cried out for mercy The god Anu heard their pleas but you know how the gods are in these ancient stories when they bother to help humanity at all It's never a straight line never a case of oh is your king being a real bastard Okay, sit tight and give us a minute to smoke him No Immortality must get tedious because the gods of the old world never missed a chance to get all kinds of Dramatic with their mortals in this story the god Anu got up with the goddess of Ruru and said girl This Gilgamesh needs to be dealt with maybe you could whip up I don't know like a wild man or something and the goddess of Ruru said Say less and she created Anki do and sent him to live among the ferocious beasts word eventually gets to Gilgamesh that there's a terrifying guy living in the forest and that this Anki do is a real threat to the Everyone else would you have this wild man murdered sire?

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Just say the word mass as Gilgamesh. Let's don't kill him Let's fix him up with Sham. Hi, you know the prostitute who works at the temple I'll be damned if the tender attentions of Sham. I didn't symbolize the heck out of Anki do he started Wearing clothes and eating proper food like bread instead of just grazing in the grass like a deer and in the course of all that Getting civilized he came to understand that Gilgamesh was a tyrant who needed to be destroyed The two men met in battle. They were equally matched in strength and skill, but something unexpected happened The two enemies became friends and bros who decided that instead of fighting each other They'd take on the forest monster whom Baba together which they did achieving a great victory Gilgamesh celebrated by taking a long bath and dressing in his finest robes which attracted the attention of Ishtar the goddess of love and Fertility, but Gilgamesh rejected the goddesses advances on the grounds that all of her previous lovers had suffered grave Misfortune. Oh The goddess was pissed she sent the bull of heaven to destroy that upstart Gilgamesh But even the bull was no match for the king and his wild man bestie Anki do They slew the bull and Anki do ripped off one of its legs and flung it at the goddess Which while probably very satisfying in the moment proved to be a deeply stupid move goddess Ishtar Condemned Anki do to death the wild man had 12 days of terrifying visions about his upcoming descent into the house of dust And then he died Gilgamesh was nearly mad with grief some for his friend some for his self because the king understood that because he was One-third mortal he too could and would die This launched Gilgamesh on his epic quest for immortality. Would he succeed with the spirit of Anki do ever escape the underworld?

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our first ghost story and Proof that humans have always wrestled with the mystery of our own mortality with our place in the cosmos the hierarchy of powers Gilgamesh and Anki do dared to insult the gods Anki do paid with his life Let that be a lesson to all of us Because our scary stories almost always have something very important to teach The Tale of Alexander being better known by the nickname, Sawney Begins in the 16th century in Scotland the country was sparsely populated in those days What with only about half a million Scots surviving the plague the black death?

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Sawney was born into poverty the son of a ditch digger Some accounts say that Sonny's father was a hedge trimmer or maybe a tanner the point being a poor man who earned his keep through backbreaking labor Who's expected that Sonny would follow in his father's footsteps? What other choice did the boy have really? But Sonny wasn't suited to the work or to any work You could say that young Sonny rebelled against the circumstances of his birth Rejected a life of hard labor and abject poverty. That's a noble source Ben or You could say that young Sonny was a bad seed a born criminal staying on his family line so little is known about his early life, but the whole story reads more like fable than fact and Fable is all it might be Because even the truest story Easily becomes a legend when it's told over and over by firelight each teller adding a detail or embroidering one Omitting things that slow the story down Juicing up the ending for maximum impact Because the point of a story like Sonny's Wasn't to preserve some dry list of facts. It was to teach a lesson transmit a warning Stay alert stay away for there being monsters The older bean was an honest man who kept his head down and his back bent for the paltry wages that barely fed his brood Whatever hopes he had for his son turned to dust when the boy bolted running away from home Not alone, but something far worse far more shameful Sonny went on the run with a beautiful girl named Agnes A couple was well matched as Agnes shared Sonny's distaste for hard work for the life of a pauper It was whispered that Agnes was a witch For all the usual reasons a young woman might catch that label beautiful headstrong willful smart blah blah blah You'll notice that sweet didn't make that list That's because Agnes had a reputation for being well a There was a coldness to Agnes a wariness bright eyed interested But at the same time flat almost calculating like a predatory bird a pair of Runaway young lovers no matter how passionate or beautiful they were Still had to eat and find a safe place to sleep No small task in those hard times Sonny and Agnes were allergic to honest work, which made everything that much more complicated It was almost inevitable that the couple would turn to crime to survive Remember there were so few people alive in Scotland in those days That meant the roads were rough and lonesome There were no trains or buses no well-lit highways Travelers moved on horseback or on foot across vast moors through dense forests we're tangled roots caught at their feet and briars tore at their faces a Person might journey for miles and days and see nothing but turbulent sky and wild land Even when the Sun shone and warmed your back You didn't dare drop your guard because lonely in that kind of country Doesn't mean at all the same thing as safe The Ayrshire coast of Southwest Scotland It's a charming vacation destination today dot it with inns and restaurants and shops And it's steeped in history from the ancient Romans to the Vikings It's the birthplace of legends like Robert the Bruce poet Robert Burns and

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Colin Hay the former lead singer of the Australian band men at work Which might explain why he was so tickled to be finally living in the land down under Travelers in 16th century Scotland knew better than to count on finding a miracle out on the desolate moors Roads were muddy tracks poorly maintained if they were maintained at all Narrow and rutted hard on feet hooves and carriage wheels alike rivers with frigid racing currents had to be ford it and Bridges weren't a given There were villages out in that remoteness small human settlements where one might reasonably hope for hospitality or at least indifference But those settlements were filled with people who'd learned the hard way that trust was something to be guarded and withheld Some had allowed their roads to fall into treacherous disrepair on purpose It was their best insurance against being attacked laws of hospitality dating back thousands of years dictated that a stranger had the right to knock on your door and Asked to be fed and sheltered The householder were obliged to provide that for at least the night Now the stranger in this scenario was required to explain themselves and the purpose of their journey The locals knew that any stranger might be a terrible person a thief a spy Even a killer But the rules were the rules and no stranger could be harmed simply because they were a stranger Hospitality must be offered and if the guests proved to be a criminal then all bets were off Got them with a blade and leave their disemboweled remains as a warning to future visitors Which was why a figure stepping out of the shadows wasn't necessarily cause for alarm Especially if you stranger were a good person an honest person Simply trying to make your way along the spectacular Ayrshire Coast With its severe forbidding sheer rocky cliffs plunging into a rolling icy sea today, you'd at least have a flashlight a map and a cell phone to help if you got lost and The 16th century you'd have a candle and maybe a rosary to guide your journey Sonny and Agnes found shelter on the Ayrshire Coast Over eons the churning tides had carved a network of caves deep into those towering cliffs Caves that weren't mere shallow indentations in the rock. This was an entire cave system completely invisible from the cliffs above There were tunnels and hidden chambers snaking deep into the earth. It was a secret world unknown and unreachable except by those few souls who knew that with each low tide the path would be revealed as clear as day if You understood what you were seeing It was in one of these caves that Sonny and Agnes made their home Tucked away in a dry cavern concealed by both rocks in the sea. It made for a surprisingly cozy shelter But the young lovers were still faced with the tedious problem of supporting themselves Robbery was the career they landed upon They knew there could be no halfway measures. No tentative efforts Travelers weren't thick on the ground and no opportunity could be wasted At first the disappearances seemed Normal, it was hard country to move through on the best day Illness, injury, a horse coming up lame, things that might be a minor issue in town Could swiftly morph into a life-or-death threat out there on the road We moderns love to romanticize the past Daydreaming about galloping all alone under a vast blue sky while we sweat and curse in our trap of jammed Hondas

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We always leave out the part where that lucky solo rider rides on the ground in agony Snake bite, appendicitis, a heart attack. No 911. No emergency department. No help and no hope of rescue Which meant that not everyone who set out back then made it safely home Travelers did disappear. It was unfortunate, but not unheard of Folks might come looking but there was no such thing as a grid search or an amber alert A merchant alone on horseback never seen again. A married couple farmers who left for market but failed to return one after the next after the next so many just vanished No one could say what fate had befallen these poor souls All the people in the adjacent parts were at last alarmed at such uncommon loss of their neighbors and acquaintances For there was no traveling and safety This occasioned spies to be frequently sent into these parts many of whom never returned again Those who did could not find out how these melancholy matters happened It was inevitable that some travelers would be seized and questioned as the possible culprits in this string of odd disappearances Several honest travelers were taken up on suspicions and wrongfully hanged upon bare circumstances Several innocent innkeepers were executed for no other reason than that persons who had been thus lost Were known with have lain in their houses which occasioned a suspicion of their being murdered by the innkeeper and their bodies Privately buried in obscure places to prevent a discovery There was so much of this rough vigilante justice playing out that many innkeepers who lived in that part of Scotland at the time Chose to give up their business and find other work Which meant fewer and fewer?

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Legitimate safe accommodations for travelers who were now even more at the mercy of whatever dark force was stalking roadways and moors Word spread and soon it seemed like the entire country was fearfully demanding to know How such things could happen and the perpetrator remain unknown a great many men had been executed Yet not one of them all made any confession at the gallows But maintained to the last that they were perfectly innocent of the crime for which they suffered for Sonny and Agnes There was no mystery to any of it and they were no longer alone in their secret seaside cave Agnes it turned out was as fertile as she was vicious She and Sonny had an entire brood of children sharing their lair Eight sons and six daughters They dwelled in that cave for upwards of 25 years without going into any city town or village They brought up their children and then grandchildren after their own manner without any notions of humanity or civil society They never kept any company, but themselves and supported themselves whole by robbery Being moreover so very cruel that they never robbed anyone whom they did not murder By this bloody method and they're being so retired from the world. They continued for a long time Undiscovered this is one of those stories where you're not really sure what to wish for you hear 14 kids and the word Grandchildren and you consider that these folks never once left their own clan and you can't help but crash face-first into the word incest No, you think oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, please tell me that this isn't some crazy tale about deranged inbreeding Well, it is and that's the least of it. Believe it or not Sonny and Agnes people were now fearfully calling her black Agnes after what they could only assume was her black and shriveled heart Their 14 sons and daughters their 14 granddaughters 18 grandsons. That's a lot of mouse to feed the few coins and valuables They could snatch from travelers Didn't even make a dent in that kind of overhead as soon as they had robbed any man woman or child They'd carry off the carcass to their den Cutting it into quarters. They would pickle the mangled limbs and afterwards eat them this being their only sustenance The cave dwelling clan of Sonny being numbered 48 people But so great was the number of their victims That they couldn't even eat them all they commonly had a surplus of this Abdominable food so that in the night time they frequently threw legs and arms of the unhappy wretches They'd murdered into the sea Where those limbs would then often be cast up by the tides Under beaches far removed from that hidden cave on the Ayrshire Coast This was a source of great astonishment and frightened curiosity Similar to our modern reaction to the news of severed feet still wearing shoes washing up on beaches in Washington State and British Columbia Sidebar hey that slice of weirdness first appeared on the scene in 2007 Science finally explained most of the mystery saying that the phenomenon was a natural result of both decomposition and the design of modern sneakers They suggested that a person who died by accident or suicide would be set upon by ocean scavengers who like the soft tender bits best Like the soft melt-in-your-mouth tendons and ligaments at the ankle Once scavengers had gnawed the foot off the body it eventually floats to the surface Thanks to the buoyancy of today's sneakers Which makes it likely that any?

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Scavenger feasting on an ankle attached to a pair of hokas better work fast because those things are so buoyant They could just about double as life preservers Anyhoo back to 16th century Scotland and the Bean Clan Stuffing their faces on the butchered remains of their latest victims Sometimes the Sawney clan would attack as many as six travelers at a time Provided they were on foot if they were on horseback They were safe as long as there were more than two riders See it was critical to the clans continued survival that not even a single victim could escape to identify any Assailant they would set an ambush on every side let them fly Which way they would ever so careful that none would escape, but those missing travelers had kinful and Search parties would come on the scene the cave though It said that the cavern occupied by Sawney's clan Stretched almost a mile beneath the surface Unless you knew exactly where to look at low tide. It was perfectly concealed Seawater filled nearly the first 200 yards No one dreamed that a human being much less 48 human beings could live in such a spot One searcher declared the cave a place of perpetual horror and darkness and Now the research parties combing the moors in the woods Hundreds of people had gone missing and dozens of waterlogged limbs had washed ashore There was talk of a monster Like there always is when facts can't be made to add up Monsters are real by the way you can sometimes spot one across the room across the table in the mirror The people of southwestern Scotland were about to discover this truth for themselves Because eventually even the most cunning and careful monster will slip and make a mistake One day the beans bit off more than they could chew they attacked a husband and wife returning from a fair on a horse according to the famous multi-volume new gay calendar history of the lives and crimes and punishments and executions of some of England's most notorious criminals This is what happened next a man and his wife behind him on the same horse Coming one evening home from a fair and falling into the ambush of these Merciless wretches they fell upon him in a most furious manner the man to save himself as well as he could fought very Bravely against them with sword and pistol Riding some of them down by main force of his horse in the conflict The poor woman fell from behind him and was instantly murdered before her husband's face for the female cannibals cut her throat and fell to sucking her blood with as great a Gusto as if it had been wine This done they ripped up her belly and pulled out all her entrails such a dreadful spectacle made the man a more obstinate resistance as Expecting the same fate if he fell into their hands It pleased Providence while he was engaged that 20 or 30 from the same fair came together in a body upon which Sawney Bean and his bloodthirsty clan Withdrew and made the best of their way through a thick wood to their din

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I'm sorry for the grisly horror of what you just heard Most of us live at such a remove from how our food is produced and we're not bloodthirsty murderous cannibals So these details are very hard to hear this man Who was the first that had ever fallen in their way and came off alive? Told the whole company what had happened and showed them the horrid spectacle of his wife Whom the murderers had dragged to some distance But had not had time to carry her entirely off They were all struck with stupefaction and Amazement at what he related took him with them to Glasgow and told the affair to the provost of the city who Immediately sent to the king concerning it King James the sixth launched a manhunt that very week with a pack of bloodhounds and 400 soldiers they sought he placed where this dismal tragedy was acted in order to search all the rocks and thickets that if possible they might apprehend this hellish crew which had been so Pernicious to the western parts of the kingdom the man who had been attacked was the guide You watched your wife be ripped to pieces in front of you and four days later You're leading the king of Scotland on a hunt for her killers life comes at you fast I know sign of habitation was to be found for a very long time And even when they came to the wretches cave they took no notice of it But we're going to pursue their search along the seashore the tide being then out but some of the bloodhounds luckily entered and Instantly set up a most hideous barking howling and Yelping so that the king with his attendants came back and looked into it They could not yet tell how to Conceive that anything human could be concealed in a place where they saw nothing but darkness nevertheless as the bloodhounds increased their noise went further in and Refused to come back again They began to imagine that there was some reason more than ordinary torches were now immediately sent for and a great many men ventured in through the most intricate Turnings and windings still at last they arrived at that private recess from all the world which was the Habitation of these Monsters hell itself would be hard-pressed to compete with what awaited them deep in the bowels of that cave legs arms thighs hands and feet of men women and children were hung up in rows like dried beef a Great many limbs lay in pickle and a great mass of money both gold and silver with watches rings swords pistols and a large quantity of clothes both linen and woolen and An infinite number of other things which they had taken from those whom they had murdered Were thrown together in heaps or hung up against the sides of the den It was a horror beyond reckoning beyond comprehension

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There was nothing in that cave that a decent person could make any sense of the flickering torchlight picked out one Atrocity after another and perhaps the worst wasn't the butcher dead It was the living the members of the Sawney clan their eyes dull their faces a mixture blank and hostile like an alligator or a crocodile a Mask of indifference to anything but appetite or the cave and being clan were discovered It was the end for the evil Sawney bean 45 members of Sawney's clan were ordered by King James himself to be taken to the port of Leith to be executed The king declared their crimes to be so great in magnitude that no trial was even necessary It being thought needless to try Creatures who were professed enemies to mankind Crowds gathered along the roads where the prisoners were transported Screaming curses of the doomed men and women what awaited Sawney bean and black Agnes and their family Wasn't the swift blade of the guillotine or even the coarse ropes of the gallows All of the men and boys were beaten and had their hands and feet cut off Some accounts say their genitals in addition were chopped off so that they all bled to death For the women and the girls their fate was even worse They were burned to death as the king considered them to have practiced witchcraft So it was hung drawn and quartered for Sawney and his wife shared a similar end the men were cut up the woman burned alive a Stout message the townsfolk would send Does this story sound weirdly familiar It should especially if you're a fan of horror movies The legend of the cannibal clan headed up by Sawney bean is the inspiration for filmmaker Wes Craven's 1977 thriller the hills have eyes Craven put a contemporary spin on the legend. He tells the story of a family heading to California on vacation They're driving through the New Mexico desert towing a camper six adults one baby girl and two dogs Unbeknownst to them. They aren't alone and all that desolation there's another family out there a Family that's been exposed to radiation from the Manhattan Project tests of the atomic bomb like every other living thing in that 1,300 square mile radius Those folks were showered with invisible radioactive fallout that led to serious genetic mutations By the time our vacationers set up camp Those mutated monsters are living in a cave and practicing cannibalism You Can you imagine the first people to cross this desert they didn't know where they were. Yeah, I can because neither do we Any game where we couldn't fly like normal people don't see too many travelers around here. Where y'all headed San Diego I Next year I am going to Oh

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what are you on call it camp you're cheesy all you want but it's actually pretty terrifying even the crew who first thought they were scooping up an easy paycheck on a silly horror movie even the crew came to share Craven's vision for the film he wanted to tell a story about how easy it is to strip the humanity from a human to wash away the last traces of civilized behavior they remade the hills have eyes in 2006 but you can watch the original right now for free on YouTube and weirdos we definitely recommend it now to the big question is this story told for centuries and immortalized by Hollywood true that's where things get trickier than finding Sonny's cave and stickier than a freshly butchered human torso with so many disappearances and the involvement of King James the sixth it's reasonable to expect that at least some of this tale might be found in news accounts of the day the closest you can get to finding a mention of Sonny Bean is in a broadsheet published in 1750 with a mention of a traditional Scottish folktale about a man called Sandy Bane who feasted on live cats some believe that the legend of the cannibal clan of Sonny Bean was a retelling of the story of another fearsome Scottish cannibal named Christy Cleek who lived in the 1400s like Sonny Cleek in his clan lived in a crude den apart from society they had a taste for youth stalking killing and eating only the young their punishment like the women in Sonny's clan was to be burned alive and then there are those who argue that Sonny Bean was always a work of fiction a piece of propaganda unleashed by the British how better to paint the Scottish people as a tribe of savages than to spin a tale of incest and violence and the eating of human flesh the late American writer musician Tom Duran son of an immigrant from Glasgow had a deep passion and reverence for his Scottish roots he had a theory about Sonny Bean a complete and total lack of evidence points to this horrific and unique tale as being a sensationalist and frankly anti Scottish story possibly created by the English to show the displeasure for many what seemed to be the impending Union of Nations and the Union of the Crown's that happened when James the 6th King of England Duran also pointed out that using the nickname Sonny for Alexander was derogatory more proof that the whole tale was an English invention the English and the Scots had no love for each other the English considering the Scots horrible barbarians who couldn't even speak English so pushing that contempt one step further into cannibalism seems not much of a stretch it was an easy lie to tell given how notoriously dangerous that part of Scotland was for travelers the terrain was rough enough all by itself now throw in the highwaymen and smugglers and buccaneers who prowled the Scottish coastline that crew was happy to spread the lore about a cave packed with hungry cannibals because it deflected attention from their own criminal activities and

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besides argued Tom Duran come on come on a story like Sonny Bean would have found its way into the historical record if it was true come on there is no written evidence and one would imagine there would be wouldn't a heroic tale involving the King of Scotland fighting an army of cannibals be documented in some fashion and just as importantly there is no local oral tradition and no songs there are no known family or personal histories either from the families of supposed victims or any eyewitnesses to the site of the cannibal family being dragged to Edinburgh and to the execution in Leith I don't know what it says about humans as a species that it's actually kind of a bummer for us to learn that there might not have been a real incestuous cannibal clan living in a cave on the Scottish coast not that evidence or even the truth matters when it comes to a legend as old and as durable as Sonny Bean some stories are just so good so gruesome and satisfying that we want to believe Sonny and Black Agnes and their enormous brood of flesh-eating rugrats seem just real enough to earn the benefit of the doubt just real enough to be the boogeyman we our kids with just real enough to let us shiver in horror at the details while feeling so smug in our own goodness that we could sleep at night let's travel back to 400 years and be careful before you con them because how would you act if you lived in that cave do you think you could turn out like them next time on true weird stuff hey remember learning about Lewis and Clark when you were a kid in school what grade would you to been a max like maybe fifth or sixth something like that yes somewhere along there yeah learning about Lewis and Clark we know an awful lot about the Lewis and Clark expedition mostly because one of the two kept these incredibly detailed journals but the one thing we haven't been so good at is mapping their exact route until we discovered that the members of the Lewis and Clark expedition were eating a very specific kind of poison and we can follow their trail now by tracking down their poison poo poison poo and Lewis and Clark on the next true weird stuff our voice talents on this episode are Evie Erin Cox and Don Morgan Oh where to begin Oh Sherry what a horrifying story where to begin indeed I you know the course I was somewhat familiar with the story of Gilda Gil Gilgamesh beginning you know what I was thinking about as you were talking about this family was this family that they found earlier this year that was living in squalor and there was incest and all kinds of craziness yeah with that situation so when I was thinking about that and I don't know they weren't cannibals but certainly you can see that human beings in their own communities could actually be at their absolute worst if they live in some sort of closed community like this so I'm not saying that this is beyond the possibility of this happening but the magnitude of the horror here makes me want to believe that that couldn't actually have happened it's it's kind of depressing that in some ways the most horrible aspects of this story are still you know ripped from today's headlines like these these people it's child abuse

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right these people having kids and then yeah I mean these stories happen this isn't new now the cannibalism piece is not as common although we do have contemporary cannibal stories a lot of it there's some weird boy there are some weird things that crop up you know like some dude will go on the internet and he'll advertise that he wants someone to kill him and eat him and that happened actually happened there was a German man that um had himself killed and cannibalized remember we talked about it right on our other show so it it does happen that the thing with the Sonny Bean story that's so fascinating to me that's even more interesting than how much of it is true and how much of it is not is first of all this is the 16th century so this is people have been telling this story for a very very very long time and I sort of love the idea and I'm really fascinated by the idea that this whole thing might be nothing more than anti Scottish propaganda pushed by the British in other words fake news and I the reason I believe that and and you talked about the fact that they had not written any songs about it what's really interesting is the way news was carried at one time there would be a news story and somebody write a song about it and that's that's how the news would get broadcast by the song getting passed from person to person and the fact that there was none of that is very interesting and almost would lead me to believe that your theory about British propaganda is probably true I'm not saying that humans couldn't do such awful things because I believe that they could however I'm not sure that I completely buy this story the thing for me the tell for me is King James the sixth who was not shy about publicity and you can find ample amounts of things documenting the reign of King James the sixth in the history books right so according to the legend of Sonny Bean King James himself and an army of 400 soldiers handled this and I just have to say there's no way that if that were true and accurate that that didn't make it into the history books right I mean you have you have the King himself riding through the land come on we you know we've had we've had Charly King who's from England on here before and stuff but may I point out that the British to this day have a sense that somehow they're superior to everybody around them the Scottish are savages the Welsh are savages the Irish are savages even when I traveled to England I was referred to as a colonist which is very it's very you know yeah nice work if you can get it right to just be yeah I just asked where did the British get off thinking they're so much more superior than everybody else that's sort of a sort of question but it's interesting it's interesting that that to this day and this story might be one of the great early examples of that like the the British did not want the two countries the two crowns to merge they wanted no part of these savage Scotland's and and the Scottish in Scotland and and it was just such a ragtag population that was left after the Black Death anyway so that's where you go well this um this especially being in the Newgate calendar so let's pause and we'll talk about that all right so what is what is or was the Newgate calendar well it's subtitle was the malefactors bloody register and this was a collection this was a collection of true crime stories basically it was very every story that was told had this big

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world to it it was about criminals and crimes and sin and wrongdoing and it began so Newgate prison which shows up in true weird stuff a lot that's where the ogres of Reading was hanged that's where the woman in the Jack the Ripper case was hanged so the Newgate prison began publishing a monthly like pamphlet about executions and eventually and that was very popular and so other publishers in England at the time stole the idea and began putting out these little short books about notorious criminals including Sawney Bean so these stories Sawney allegedly lived in the 16th century but these stories the Newgate calendar they began appearing in like mmm the late 1700s they're very very dramatic this isn't like you're not reading like the New York Times here they're lurid and dramatic and colorful and they're trying to scare you to death they're trying to teach you like a lesson they're moralizing about the ages of sin and whatnot that's what the Newgate calendar is so to have the Newgate calendar be a historical source for Sawney Bean is like asking the National Enquirer to be a historical source for the Kennedy assassination if that yeah right that does make sense and I think that that's more likely to have been what happened and it's possible as you mentioned in there too there may have been a seed of a story here and then it was you know just embellished through that through the course of time I think that yeah I mean don't you think that in most of these like crazy legends that there is deep down there's a piece of truth and because these stories were passed down in the oral tradition they were never told the same way twice mm-hmm like the story of Sawney Bean has been told a thousand times and you just heard it again and it was and I told it differently it's a big game of telephone is what it is yeah but but how sad to be an innkeeper where they would come and execute you and blame you for being the ones that housed somebody that may have committed a crime and that now that is historically accurate mm-hmm the parts of this story that are historically true how how few people were left alive in Scotland at the time after the plague how difficult it was to travel Scotland is a beautiful wild and forbidding landscape and and you know this is in the days before paved roads and combustion engines and electricity mm-hmm that stuff's all true oh the way that the laws of hospitality that's true now the average American will be horrified to have to open their door at 10 o'clock at night and give a stranger a bed yeah but that's what that stuff is all all of that's historically accurate King James the sixth was a real person they've really did execute people by you know chopping off their parts and letting them bleed to death they really did burn people for this the crime of witchcraft so when when all of that is true all you needed to do was weave those pieces together and now we have a main character Sawney and Black Agnes and now we're off to the races and we can tell we can the writers of the British writers of Newgate calendar can now tell a story about the Savage Scots that best fits their agenda which was to put Scotland as an absolutely backward ass savage place unworthy of sharing the

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British crown it's just funny isn't it out like how petty we are as a species we're just so it really is and how if you wanted to travel there you possibly have this happen and you know we were going in Sherry I hadn't pre-read the I didn't know exactly what was coming but the idea that you're going in and you've got body parts hanging up in a cave that goes a mile down and they're pickling the body parts and everything else it's just it really it really is something out of a horror movie in fact it's it's almost it's too horrifying to believe which is why I was like maybe some of this is real but I'm just not buying all of it you just don't want to believe it right well and now the scope of the executions how many people would it have been you had that you had that the parents and then the children and the grandchildren and 48 40 you would have had to execute 48 so if you're going to execute 48 people you would think that that would be something that would have showed up in the news that that would be something that a some sort of reputable news source would have been able to document at some point along the line and that that is and see that's the other thing like when you're this far back in the past so I use a lot of different resources for research and one of the things that I particularly love and it's not it's always biased everything humans do is biased I mean this story is a great example of human bias right but I like looking not just that you know the important dry you know vetted history books by accredited historians find me the local tabloid and let me see what was printed in the local tabloid of the time give me the trial transcript like I look for those what what did it look and feel like in the moment it was happening because history is always looking backward right right we're at work and we have the benefit of all of our current knowledge when we look backward as historians but when you go back in and you're like what was the local broadsheet chain broadsheet saying about this disappearance that's work it's really fun and in this particular case it's hard to it's hard to go that far back because again we are in 16th century Scotland post black death there are very few people alive and they're very scattered and we don't have the kind of infrastructure that lends itself to a functioning press hmm yeah the communication would have been terrible but the press that is whatever whatever information you are getting just like today they're in the business of making money you know it's very biased and skewed and so I would imagine that that still would be a problem that you would run into during that time because you know and you see this in this story like this there are so many ways to look at this terrible bedtime tale cautionary story by firelight British propaganda anti Scottish propaganda for me one of the most fun things in this story is the way the filmmaker Wes Craven was inspired and I have to tell you if you've always joked like all the hills have eyes so can't be and stupid when Wes Craven set out to make the hills have eyes he didn't set out to make something can't be and stupid he was deadly serious and so all these people sign on to work on this movie and they think that it's just you know I mean we're gonna shoot a schlocky horror movie it's a paycheck right right but Wes Craven was so on fire for the the underlying meaning of this film which is it takes very little to reduce people to just savage animal behavior right very it takes very little to scrub civilization off a body he was so caught up in that vision that the crew became

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caught up in this vision and and they felt like they were working on a cinematic masterpiece along the order of like apocalypse now so the original you say is on YouTube now you can go on for free yeah the Wes Craven original yeah and then and then was remade you say in 2006 yeah I now that you've told me that now I want to go and and watch the original and just just to see it I mean Wes Craven you know horror movies don't get a lot of respect and horror directors sometimes don't get much in the way of respect although you know you're hard you're hard it's hard to find a more gifted and talented director than John Carpenter right Halloween you know the fog like um just because it's the genre is horror people are dismissive of it and Wes Craven you know is a very serious filmmaker nightmares on nightmare on Elm Street it's a very serious movie that happens to be a horror movie yeah you never think about that it does hold up yeah and and it is a well-made movie so I certainly agree with you on that so I rewatched that I hadn't seen the hills have eyes since like I don't know I was a high school kid when it would come on the midnight movie you know on TV or whatever I rewatched in the course of working on this one I've rewatched Cravens the hills have eyes it totally stands up there are things about it that are very dated you know it's a movie from the 1970s and we all know all the things that means the golden cast to the film stock the clothes there's a certain editing style don't you find in movies of that oh yeah but he does a very the the film is terrible everything scares me but the film is terrifying because it manages to succeed in exactly the way Wes Craven was was aiming everything is just so normal until it isn't and the the villains in this movie the family in this movie they are people like you and you cannot reason with them they have no humanity and what's scarier than that what would you rather be confronted with a bear in the woods or a human who is drained of all humanity which do you think is the bigger threat you know when you when we were going through this I was thinking about the one of the early episodes we did about the bloody vendors which was the family of serial killers who for real that's that's not a that's not a legend that's for real so like I say I think that when I think about some of the horrific things that have been uncovered through the course of time it's not difficult to believe that people would be we would have humanity at its worst but it you know if you if you align with Wes Craven his theory on the hillside of ice was that the veneer of civilization civilized behavior the agreement to live together in relative harmony is not even paper-thin it's thinner than that hmm and it takes very little to strip us of that and then we behave we behave like apex predators like we behave like the animals that we are and that's what makes that movie so scary in addition to all of the things that Craven as a you know not everything you you're all like in a dither thinking something terrible is about to happen and then it doesn't you know like that build up and withdraw he's a master of manipulating all those psychological elements but that's what that movie is about that movie is about what happens when you

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when humans are stripped of humanity and how deadly and dangerous they are and how impossible it is to negotiate with them for your safety you know and I also thought about you know that William Golding's Lord of the Flies oh yeah you know which was something that I studied in school and then I remember watching the movie of it as well and how it was it was it takes a look particularly flattering look at what humans do when they're given the opportunity even at that age that did you um they remade that I want to say it was Netflix but I have not something strange I knew that it was out but I and I wanted to see it but you know there's like so many hours in the day and it's so good but I would like to see it I really would the little boy that they cast as piggy in this reboot of Lord of the Flies is a tremendous actor I just saw a trailer for a movie and I went oh that's the piggy from the Lord of the Flies like this kid has a bright future yeah but yeah it's the same it's the same basic idea if you take humans and you lift them out of society and you put them in a situation where they have to fight the environment and each other to survive we get you know the saunee bean and black Agnes we get the hillside eyes and so it's kind of fun isn't it to think about like where did that whole where did that whole movie idea where that whole story come from and it came from this that's what he was inspired by and it was interesting that the idea that even the name was something that was something derogatory which even feeds more into the idea that this was a story that was floated by the British to create this idea that all the Scottish were just savages and that I mean that kind of kind of gives you the giggles but it also you know there are people who seem to believe that this is that this manipulation this propaganda is new no where there's people there's always propaganda and manipulation and conflicting agendas and distorted messaging that that's just kind of what people do and we've clearly been doing it you know for thousands of years yeah I think people seem to think that there was some time that we had some kind of perfect with that absolutely you know it's absolutely not true I mean the best we can hope for is to just get better now we have periods where we get we we get better we get better oh we're worse worse worse worse okay now we're getting better again it's not linear it's fits and starts yeah and I go once in a while don't you ever sort of ponder the fact that you have situations where you had this family that was earlier this year that was living in these squalid conditions with incest and all of this craziness and you know I'm I thought about all kinds of situations you remember the guy that was up in Ohio who kept those girls in this house and he kept them he kept them yeah bound there for years and years and you think about well this is it the worst and then you look at somebody that's like I don't know mother Teresa somebody who is devoted their life to helping others and both of these extremes come from the same species and you go how could that be why isn't there something that's a little less extreme about how we are well it's interesting that the two cases that we're talking about right now both happened in Ohio so the first one that you were talking about I want to say that was Vinton Ohio there were 16 children that were described as being almost feral the home was filled with

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feces they arrested a pair of grandparents who look like their mug shots like my man they look like my mental picture of Agnes and Sawney so they arrested grandparents they arrested Gary Siders jr. and his wife Elizabeth and Elizabeth as you remember was the young woman with the kind of red rimmed eyes and the vacant stare who herself probably was an abuse victim so she's 33 they found the children who ranged in age from 1 to like 18 all inside this 12 by 12 room at the house in Vinton Ohio and people immediately were like look what kind of mother is that well I love you know people what's very interesting is people will take whatever their belief system is they will find a story and they will try to hang their belief on that even without all the information you know what I mean they'll find some situation and they'll say well this is how I feel about it therefore I will see it this way and that will indeed become fact when it has nothing to do with whatever the facts of the situation are like we just don't know yet Elizabeth Siders the mother of our is she the mother of all of these children she's 33 years old with 16 children it's possible biologically that she's been treated as a broodmare yeah by and we don't know how many of these children were fathered by her own father for example right or her brother we don't know yet and you know maybe we should never know because these children not deserve to be protected from scrutiny for the rest of their lives because they're innocent in all this they're innocent in this so when they when the authorities went into this home they said listen the livestock around here lives better than these kids if they had been in that 12 by 12 room for I believe it was like the cops said at least four years it was packed with human excrement um let me tell you the most one of the most shocking things about this to me relatives and neighbors oh if we didn't know we'd have done something buddy I saw that house on the news and I was like what the hell's going on inside there what do you mean if you'd have known something you'd have done something now to be again to be fair some of those relatives like six seven years had gone by they didn't even know where the these people were living right right so to be fair it's just remember when this story broke and the neighbors were like we had no idea and then the camera panned over to the house and what was your first thought max that looks like something going on in that house something up in that house so the grandpa who was originally arrested they dropped the charges after the police said this guy needs so much medical care he's gonna bankrupt us hmm and they found him incompetent to stand trial now the uncle of the 16 kids in that house was arrested and along with the two parents or the alleged parents they were all charged with crimes related to sexual abuse hmm you know what I don't think I don't think we have any idea what's gonna come out of this one no I'm not sure I'm not sure we can even handle what's gonna come out of this one but to your point max the legend of Sonny Bean and Black Angus wouldn't it be great if it were so shocking that you couldn't imagine it ever happening again and yet and yet that's not your reaction I mean sometimes something will happen like

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stories we've had recently where you say if you presented this as the premise for horror movie you would say no that would never happen that's just too awful no you can't you can't do that because that's it's too improbable that anybody would be quite that evil and yet and yet yeah and yet I mean this kind of thing this sort of story of this kind of story of a person being held by a family member there was a case in Germany where a father kept his own daughter in the for close to two decades you know I'm talking about raping her and right children were born of that I mean I wish that the legend of Sonny Bean was so out there crazy that we could all sit here and go oh that could never happen but of course it the the only part of it that's even a little bit unlikely is the cannibalism and even that's not on her that's not possible that's not impossible either but you're right I mean there were factors 48 of them hmm if and in fact that's the part of the story where you say it started out that there was 10 of them and then and that's how that's how that number grew because everybody that told lied a little bit more about how horrific it was until it reached the number of 48 which is a lot a lot that they're all going to execute too sometimes I think like there are some details that are pretty horrific like what was in the Newgate calendar and how they were preserving human limbs to eat later that's pretty horrific but you need to hear it right part of the story and then there are other things like Agnes and Sonny had grandchildren mm-hmm now let's let's go ahead and use our noggins how do we have grandchildren if your children never never can sort it right with anyone outside the family flowers in the attic time they had grandchildren because their children were having children with each other mm-hmm so there are some things where it's so awful but if you think about it for a second you go oh god oh no no no but grandchildren do not come in the mail no yeah no and as we know now there is there is one tiny silver lining that I was able to find in this story oh it's pretty dark in here I think you're gonna agree with this okay so you know how in life we always say now why don't why don't these people find each other why don't the people that who are allergic to work and being faithful find their own kind and hook up with them why do the people who are allergic to work and can't be faithful find a really nice hard-working person and break their heart and destroy their lives right mm-hmm we see this kind of thing all the time in the case of Sawney Bean and Black Agnes they found each other the guy who was allergic to work and had it was willing there was no there was no line he wouldn't cross no morality that he wouldn't transgress he managed to find his dream girl in Agnes because she was exactly the same imagine some poor lass from a good family being tormented by being married to Sawney Bean or imagine Sawney Bean the incestuous cannibal King coming home to someone every night who's like we are not saving enough for retirement you know I'm saying like they found each other they did they found each other yeah that's

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kind of yeah that's kind of sweet I'm glad there was a silver lining that you the minimum if you can't be happy that these two fiends found each other be happy that they didn't destroy two other lives because they were so busy being happy together as incestuous cannibals yeah that they didn't need to ruin somebody else's life so that we can be thankful for so if what is your verdict on entirely true entirely false bits and pieces like where do you come down on the legend of Sawney Bean I think that there probably is some kind of story in there that was the seed of where this story came from and then I think that this was propaganda from the British to make to make the Scottish look like savages and I think that they just expounded on whatever the seed of that story was somebody who was in some situation and lived in a cave and they went oh let's do this and let's do this and let's do that to the story until you had this horrific horrific story I'm with you and I think it's entirely possible that a ne'er-do-well like Sawney ran off with a sociopath like Agnes and they robbed and killed and disappeared people and I think it's possible because hunger will drive people to unspeakable lengths I think it's possible that somewhere along the way you know they've roasted a leg over an open fire and that was enough to spin this whole incredible tale because we know and we covered it and we touched on it in a different True Weird Stuff episode one of the most famous modern examples of cannibalism was when that soccer team went down in the Andes right the movie Alive if you're thinking of it and they ate the flesh of some of the dead passengers in order to survive so hunger will drive you to extremes and I think it's entirely possible that a couple of highway bandits like Sawney and Agnes could have been driven to those extremes and then every time the story got told somebody added a detail if if killing and eating one traveler was good wouldn't the story be even better if they killed and ate another traveler or maybe all the travelers so you can see how that happens yeah but but I'm not greedy all you need to do is kill and eat one person for me to be like okay I'm convinced you're a murderous cannibal I don't need anything yeah how many do you need killed and eaten before you're like I'm a one-and-done girl when it comes to killing you go sharing I think that you know what it's that's what I like about you I try to have clear clear boundaries yeah stop there you go I'm convinced I am so convinced but I also know because I think of other stories that we we tell the story of the guy with the hook for the hand you know riding in the backseat of your car right climbed in while you were pumping gas right that story when people tell it they they will embellish they will add that detail you know they'll add a song that was playing on the radio they'll add you know a flat tire on a lonely stretch of highway so that's probably what happened with you know it's just some piece POS criminal like low-life like sauny bean that's right a song by dr. hook there you go spending the night

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together so that's it for this episode of true weird stuff and if you if you've all hung out with us all the way up to this point a couple of things one we just won another we won a signal award for our littlest survivor episode and we won a bunch of them w3 awards for the bunker and the living corpse and we are I mean y'all we're so grateful to you for listening we are it really is because you you listen to us and you let us do this and so thank you for that if you haven't checked out our website true weird stuff calm you can go in there and you can just I mean it's a rabbit hole worth falling down that our designer who built a car and amazing you can search by category you can put in you know axe murderer and episodes that are about that will pop up and we've done close to 200 true weird stuff episodes somewhere there's a lot yeah there's a lot and next week we're going to give you a break from the eating of the human flesh because we're gonna hit the trail with Lewis and Clark oh that's that's something that'll be a lot of fun yeah and you know what's you know it's fun about the Lewis and let me just give you an advanced taste of what's super fun about the Lewis and Clark episode you know how when you learn like in school everything feels separate there was Paul Revere you know who rode at one of my land to if I see and then there was George Washington and then there was the Continental Congress and then there was the Great Depression doesn't doesn't American history like kind of in your mind's eye fall along a timeline like that but what we don't often realize is because we're such a young country is how on top of each other these stories often are yeah so the story of Lewis and Clark involves one of our founding fathers dr. Benjamin Rush who is a phenomenal figure in American history is now he was a little into too much into bloodletting but other than that they all were yeah they all enjoyed a good bloodletting dr. Rush developed a pill for constipation that was so effective that it earned the nickname thunderclapper oh well go ahead and get your drink because I I'm surprised that I'm surprised at that they would have called that back then thunderclapper that's an effective laxative do you know what you know that it works if that's the nickname though I don't I don't need to explain any more about it so I bet you never in your wildest middle school social studies dreams knew that Lewis and Clark constipation and founding father dr. Benjamin Rush are all part of the great telling of this nation well I certainly can't wait to hear that but a Benjamin Rush was he was revered back in the day as a patriot and a doctor as well he sure was and you know what he had some ideas and some notions and there were he didn't know what he didn't know just like we don't know we don't know it's true but um I'll tell you what if you were a patriot in the early days of America and you felt yourself a little sluggish and a little backed up you reached for one of dr.

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Rush's thunderclappers and they we have dr. Benjamin Rush to thank for why we can follow Lewis and Clark across the United States poison poo on the trail of Lewis and Clark that's the next true weird stuff and if you listen to us on Apple podcast hit the plus button in the top right corner and now it helps an independent podcast like ours to get discovered and we really appreciate it if you subscribe rate and review true weird stuff hit our website true weird stuff calm for show notes and photos and videos when we have it and bonus content everything true weird is waiting for you at true weird stuff calm and follow true weird stuff on Instagram true weird stuff is in Now! Media production our executive producer is Anthony Garcia the show is written and produced it by me Sheri Lynch along with my deeply weird director Max Sweeten our equally odd producer is Kary Bowser additional production by the mysterious Stephen Call our digital witch and social media cult leader is Heather Furr original graphics by Kevin Nash original artworks by Olivia Axland true weird original music composed and performed by Jack Griffin and Sam Nash copyright 2026 Now! Media all rights reserved all wrongs remembered

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